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  1. #1
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    Odstarva's Avatar
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    Sophia Ladislava
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    Quote Originally Posted by SchwarzwaelderTorte View Post
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    Which brings me back to what I said at the end, I really wouldn't mind if they just added the new changes as an optional pick, I just don't want to lose the changes before I even got the chance to play with them!
    Ultimately, if this is a "change vs no change" deal, I'll always pick the former. If there's a third option that keeps everyone happy, then that's where my vote would go instead!

    I'm just worried about the dev team getting this negative feedback, and them interpreting this as "no, the players don't like it when we improve graphical fidelity, never doing it again" and I get that isn't what's being argued, but it wouldn't be the first time a message would be received like that because it'd be practical, less troublesome and less work. Like, the feeling I'm getting from most players here is that they'd rather there was no upgrade whatsoever if it meant the shape of their character's face was the same.

    They'd be able to do that thing where if people ever ask for more again, they'd point back and say "but you hated it, why should we try this again when it clearly failed?"

    Maybe I'm just reading into it wrong, it's not like I'm trying to debate a person's preferences. I came into the thread thinking people were posting pictures of their characters (not unlike the "show your ____" threads) and found that instead this is a complaints thread, so I won't deny that might have disappointed me a bit lol


    (late edit, off-topic, yes I almost exclusively only take pictures in the burn it's not even funny lol)
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    Plushy's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Odstarva View Post
    Which brings me back to what I said at the end, I really wouldn't mind if they just added the new changes as an optional pick, I just don't want to lose the changes before I even got the chance to play with them!
    Ultimately, if this is a "change vs no change" deal, I'll always pick the former. If there's a third option that keeps everyone happy, then that's where my vote would go instead!

    I'm just worried about the dev team getting this negative feedback, and them interpreting this as "no, the players don't like it when we improve graphical fidelity, never doing it again" and I get that isn't what's being argued, but it wouldn't be the first time a message would be received like that because it'd be practical, less troublesome and less work. Like, the feeling I'm getting from most players here is that they'd rather there was no upgrade whatsoever if it meant the shape of their character's face was the same.

    They'd be able to do that thing where if people ever ask for more again, they'd point back and say "but you hated it, why should we try this again when it clearly failed?"

    Maybe I'm just reading into it wrong, it's not like I'm trying to debate a person's preferences. I came into the thread thinking people were posting pictures of their characters (not unlike the "show your ____" threads) and found that instead this is a complaints thread, so I won't deny that might have disappointed me a bit lol


    (late edit, off-topic, yes I almost exclusively only take pictures in the burn it's not even funny lol)
    I wouldn't worry too much (though you never know).
    The fourms is.....quite the echo chamber. People that are happy rarely have a reason to come here and say "I like the changes" I provided feedback from other sns because of this heavy lean against the update and people here DID NOT like that because they felt that SE might not change anything. (If you look at my posts you can see everybody trying to put words in my mouth and also dismiss everything I shown). I also like the update and I want to play with the new updated characters and lots of people are trying to change things before we even get a chance to/ they even get a chance to see if they'll get use to it.

    I believe SE isn't going to adjust the characters anymore just based on Yoshi-p wording and knowing that there will be some differences which is why he's giving everybody a free fantasia but everybody is still pretty headstrong in not wanting the change. This on top of its honestly the same people complaining....even on the japanese side its kinda the same people because I noticed they posted before for the first benchmark and the JP also had a thread asking to not do the update and the slightly majority finally popped up to defended the graphics update.
    Though most my feedback is for au ra I'll repost them and you can see the massive positive feedback they gotten and why I think SE won't change anything because I do think people like the changes more than they're against them. These have huge amount of likes, more than anything a negitive post have reached (trust me. I looked hard for a negative post and couldn't find one even close to the positive ones).
    https://twitter.com/elimido12/status...45452600279183 5.9k
    https://twitter.com/ppr_choco/status...44015141261431 5.7k Likes
    https://twitter.com/kazula_ggnr/stat...92179143323929 2k Likes
    https://twitter.com/Ms_irene8D/statu...82195567231397 1.8k Likes
    https://twitter.com/monamomm/status/1797591808534565081 726 Likes
    https://twitter.com/FF14_DAM_/status...38494518337772 435 Likes
    https://twitter.com/cheliseul/status...31807631728770 358 Likes
    https://twitter.com/rtn_ff14/status/1797610464484151617 488 Likes
    https://twitter.com/bunnalien/status...57335541936579 1.5k Likes
    https://twitter.com/JWFF14_/status/1797548707254243759 435 Likes
    https://twitter.com/alicia_cresw/sta...27577999130802 432 Likes
    https://twitter.com/yami_xiv/status/1797650861008801970 1k Likes
    https://twitter.com/dawnmoon_ff/stat...90100186190140 724 Likes
    https://twitter.com/Tsubaki422_ff14/...45236200767944 193 Likes
    https://twitter.com/_ria_ff14/status...05862004572461 792 Likes
    https://twitter.com/_ria_ff14/status...41511923495385 696 Likes
    https://twitter.com/zer0wife/status/1797535040194388004 2.3k Likes
    https://twitter.com/franandneo/statu...79029291372923 2.1k
    https://twitter.com/VeleckVT/status/1798126792282460426
    https://twitter.com/animefanrk2k/sta...50884976632028
    https://twitter.com/spicywaifusauce/...32771475591219
    https://twitter.com/Starthysta/statu...01889163305127
    https://twitter.com/Liette96/status/1797705060883055078
    https://twitter.com/Kriket_B/status/1797703885869678656
    https://twitter.com/kaori_rokuyari/s...77169180840055
    https://twitter.com/futurea_ffxiv/st...44574653030709
    https://twitter.com/alexiareyesart/s...40657743528436
    https://twitter.com/kikikajiriri/sta...59788186423430
    https://twitter.com/H87762/status/1798488270948778065
    https://twitter.com/hinahina01071/st...37942657376466
    https://twitter.com/f_o_g_ff14/statu...22414844809287
    https://twitter.com/Utatyan1321/stat...97001741488473
    https://twitter.com/wh5dg/status/1797593183217766872
    https://twitter.com/mamanowa_BnS/sta...66926589448631
    https://twitter.com/CcS_lv/status/1797563376652234989
    https://twitter.com/Rikuri_atau/stat...47906444222717
    https://twitter.com/Luca_chocobo/sta...69104036012322
    https://twitter.com/RipiCat/status/1797998969265721613
    https://twitter.com/Azuriteien/statu...81928818467100
    https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ew_au_ra_eyes/

    These are from the first benchmark 1.0
    https://twitter.com/Moogiedaisuki/st...71727667077478 1.2k Likes - Elezen

    https://twitter.com/piqffxiv/status/1779525816579416326 1.4 likes - Au ra

    https://twitter.com/NINNYANG_/status...37478270967938 1.8 likes - Au ra

    https://twitter.com/46sun/status/1779433791112757445 4.1k likes - Au ra

    https://twitter.com/cobacci/status/1779569485223235866 500 likes - Au ra

    https://twitter.com/46sun/status/1779431396723020160 630 likes - Au ra

    https://twitter.com/46sun/status/1779444456779100461 739 likes - Au ra

    https://twitter.com/starrdiver/statu...514143/photo/1 513 likes - Au ra

    https://twitter.com/qalexiaffxiv/sta...26015631266105 - Elezen

    https://twitter.com/MoonfallenFFXIV/...65388953964957 - Au ra

    https://twitter.com/ShufieArt/status...61276063715363 - Au ra

    https://twitter.com/TheSmolls/status...90597394813116 - Male Viera

    https://twitter.com/RedBlackKnight7/...16206212415549 - Au ra

    https://twitter.com/vtalon123/status...75804578947577 - Miqo'te

    https://twitter.com/Yumi__FFXIV/stat...36655374139755 - Viera

    https://twitter.com/MoonCatZara/stat...43553159848175 - Miqo'te

    https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme..._to_dawntrail/ - 687 likes - Roe

    https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...got_concerned/ -632 likes - Lalafell

    https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...g_your_camera/ - 932 likes - Au ra

    https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ith_how_their/ - 65 likes - Male Au ra

    https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme..._my_duskwight/ - 518 likes - Elezen

    https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ooking_gooood/ - 213 likes - Male Highlander

    https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...r_are_hot_now/ - 809 likes - Male Elezen and Male Midlander

    https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ive_than_ever/ - 672 Likes - Miqo'te

    So I think you can rest easy and knowing nothing is going to be vastly reverted. More so since...welll SE shown these new characters for 2 fan fests and there are a lot of people looking forward to them. I doubt they're going to just outright revert years of work for people that still won't be happy even if they changed the characters again. If 1.1 is still having people complain 1.2 won't either and this is even more risky because this will be for the live game so they won't even have another chance to change things. I said it before but they can't adjust characters once the game is now live. 1.1 is what we're getting and people just have to get use to it.

    added some videos too if you want to see some popular ffxiv content creators like it too
    https://youtu.be/rxlXrYkeRc4?t=179 (from the older benchmark)
    https://youtu.be/oWByvmJXBks?t=4018 (Newer benchmark)

    Quote Originally Posted by DynnDiablos View Post
    They offered many warnings that this would happen. And that no one should expect 1 to 1 in design.
    People are going to keep bringing up what he said in the past as an argument even though he's NOW saying there are some small differences clearly.
    "Even so, we imagine the subtle differences in nuance will inevitably cause some characters to look ever so slightly different compared to before. Should that be the case, a phial of Fantasia will be obtainable from a new quest that will be added with the release of Patch 7.0, which will allow you to fine-tune your character's appearance." Sorry I keep posting this but people are just not getting this and just totally ignoring this. Its really strange. (talking about the people that keep bringing up him saying characters will be adjusted little as possible). Not the people saying they just don't like the change.
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    Last edited by Plushy; 06-18-2024 at 11:23 PM.

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    Byleth Sekhar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Plushy View Post
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    Damn, I see you are still trying to conflate likes on a picture which as I pointed out in the Au Ra thread, can mean anything from "I like the lighting", "I like the new textures", "I like the new eyes" to something like "Everything is perfect". Even though multiple people both in this thread and in the other have pointed out that we have very specific things we dislike and give concrete points to what we like and what we do not and why.

    I am wondering whether you even clicked on some of the things you posted. One of those with you posted, the one by bunalien literally just says "the new limbal ring glow is CRAZYYYYY" and you play these 1.5k likes off as if this was some universal praise of all the changes. Seriously that alone should tell everyone that those numbers of yours are completely irrelevant.
    As I said in the other thread, not all feedback is equal.

    Nobody is saying we want them to remove the new lighting or higher texture resolution, just that they are changing things beyond this which should from the very start have been an option if they were going to touch those
    Nobody can tell me that this: https://imgur.com/k0q3iZu (transitioning from DT to Current back to DT)
    Is just an effect of changing the lighting etc. these are fundamental changes to the characters 3D model (which has nothing to do with bones or whatever you tried to argue in the other thread, a static image does not care about the bone weight etc.). And these changes invoke completely different feelings in a character.


    How about for a change instead of trying to drown out other peoples voices, with data you are deliberately misinterpreting, you give us concrete changes as to what you prefer in the new one which others dislike. Like one concrete example giving a before and after as many people have done here where you point out what you like more in the new one compared to the old. Specifically about things people have complained not just "Oh I like the new feel of the character" that feedback is similar to your "likes".
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    Last edited by Sekhar; 06-19-2024 at 02:45 AM.