Updated benchmark

**Odstarva** · 06-18-2024 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by SchwarzwaelderTorte

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Which brings me back to what I said at the end, I really wouldn't mind if they just added the new changes as an optional pick, I just don't want to lose the changes before I even got the chance to play with them!
Ultimately, if this is a "change vs no change" deal, I'll always pick the former. If there's a third option that keeps everyone happy, then that's where my vote would go instead!

I'm just worried about the dev team getting this negative feedback, and them interpreting this as "no, the players don't like it when we improve graphical fidelity, never doing it again" and I get that isn't what's being argued, but it wouldn't be the first time a message would be received like that because it'd be practical, less troublesome and less work. Like, the feeling I'm getting from most players here is that they'd rather there was no upgrade whatsoever if it meant the shape of their character's face was the same.

They'd be able to do that thing where if people ever ask for more again, they'd point back and say "but you hated it, why should we try this again when it clearly failed?"

Maybe I'm just reading into it wrong, it's not like I'm trying to debate a person's preferences. I came into the thread thinking people were posting pictures of their characters (not unlike the "show your ____" threads) and found that instead this is a complaints thread, so I won't deny that might have disappointed me a bit lol

(late edit, off-topic, yes I almost exclusively only take pictures in the burn it's not even funny lol)

**Plushy** · 06-18-2024 10:54 PM

Originally Posted by Odstarva

Which brings me back to what I said at the end, I really wouldn't mind if they just added the new changes as an optional pick, I just don't want to lose the changes before I even got the chance to play with them!
Ultimately, if this is a "change vs no change" deal, I'll always pick the former. If there's a third option that keeps everyone happy, then that's where my vote would go instead!

I'm just worried about the dev team getting this negative feedback, and them interpreting this as "no, the players don't like it when we improve graphical fidelity, never doing it again" and I get that isn't what's being argued, but it wouldn't be the first time a message would be received like that because it'd be practical, less troublesome and less work. Like, the feeling I'm getting from most players here is that they'd rather there was no upgrade whatsoever if it meant the shape of their character's face was the same.

They'd be able to do that thing where if people ever ask for more again, they'd point back and say "but you hated it, why should we try this again when it clearly failed?"

Maybe I'm just reading into it wrong, it's not like I'm trying to debate a person's preferences. I came into the thread thinking people were posting pictures of their characters (not unlike the "show your ____" threads) and found that instead this is a complaints thread, so I won't deny that might have disappointed me a bit lol

(late edit, off-topic, yes I almost exclusively only take pictures in the burn it's not even funny lol)

Originally Posted by DynnDiablos

They offered many warnings that this would happen. And that no one should expect 1 to 1 in design.

People are going to keep bringing up what he said in the past as an argument even though he's NOW saying there are some small differences clearly.
"Even so, we imagine the subtle differences in nuance will inevitably cause some characters to look ever so slightly different compared to before. Should that be the case, a phial of Fantasia will be obtainable from a new quest that will be added with the release of Patch 7.0, which will allow you to fine-tune your character's appearance." Sorry I keep posting this but people are just not getting this and just totally ignoring this. Its really strange. (talking about the people that keep bringing up him saying characters will be adjusted little as possible). Not the people saying they just don't like the change.

**Sekhar** · 06-19-2024 02:39 AM

Originally Posted by Plushy

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Damn, I see you are still trying to conflate likes on a picture which as I pointed out in the Au Ra thread, can mean anything from "I like the lighting", "I like the new textures", "I like the new eyes" to something like "Everything is perfect". Even though multiple people both in this thread and in the other have pointed out that we have very specific things we dislike and give concrete points to what we like and what we do not and why.

I am wondering whether you even clicked on some of the things you posted. One of those with you posted, the one by bunalien literally just says "the new limbal ring glow is CRAZYYYYY" and you play these 1.5k likes off as if this was some universal praise of all the changes. Seriously that alone should tell everyone that those numbers of yours are completely irrelevant.
As I said in the other thread, not all feedback is equal.

Nobody is saying we want them to remove the new lighting or higher texture resolution, just that they are changing things beyond this which should from the very start have been an option if they were going to touch those
Nobody can tell me that this: https://imgur.com/k0q3iZu (transitioning from DT to Current back to DT)
Is just an effect of changing the lighting etc. these are fundamental changes to the characters 3D model (which has nothing to do with bones or whatever you tried to argue in the other thread, a static image does not care about the bone weight etc.). And these changes invoke completely different feelings in a character.

How about for a change instead of trying to drown out other peoples voices, with data you are deliberately misinterpreting, you give us concrete changes as to what you prefer in the new one which others dislike. Like one concrete example giving a before and after as many people have done here where you point out what you like more in the new one compared to the old. Specifically about things people have complained not just "Oh I like the new feel of the character" that feedback is similar to your "likes".

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