Updated benchmark

[Evergrey]

is there a reason we shouldn't? if you don't like seeing our feedback maybe you shouldn't click on the thread that's explicitly about giving feedback.

I mean, when SE themselves have said that there will be some alterations with the update and yet people feel the need to point out every single one like it's not supposed to be there, isn't something wrong?
SE have said multiple times that there will be changes. Why can't people seem to understand that some changes has to be done?

Some changes are worse than others, sure.
But to point out every single tiny one, that's just obsession.
Do people really want FFXIV to have a visual upgrade or do people want to keep the 10+years old graphics?

Maybe SE should've made a survey before they started working on it to see what people actually really want.

[noumen0nn]

I mean, when SE themselves have said that there will be some alterations with the update and yet people feel the need to point out every single one like it's not supposed to be there, isn't something wrong?
SE have said multiple times that there will be changes. Why can't people seem to understand that some changes has to be done?

Some are worse than others.
But to point out every single tiny one, that's just obsession.

Because we as players have no solid way of knowing which changes are """necessary""", and which are a result of oversight/error/not getting around to it yet/etc, and if we're unhappy with what we see it's better to say something on the chance that its the latter. If we're wrong and its the former, SE artists and devs already know that and can just move to the next bit of feedback. Nor can you convince me that subtle changes to the shape of facial features are needed to make them fit the new rigs, given that the existing eye/nose/mouth/face options are quite different from one another yet can all use the exact same rig no problem.

In any case, saying nothing is the best way to guarantee that nothing will change. The only thing that could be less useful than not giving feedback, is complaining about people who do. We aren't the ones who are obsessed.

[Evergrey]

Because we as players have no solid way of knowing which changes are """necessary""", and which are a result of oversight/error/not getting around to it yet/etc, and if we're unhappy with what we see it's better to say something on the chance that its the latter. If we're wrong and its the former, SE artists and devs already know that and can just move to the next bit of feedback. Nor can you convince me that subtle changes to the shape of facial features are needed to make them fit the new rigs, given that the existing eye/nose/mouth/face options are quite different from one another yet can all use the exact same rig no problem.

In any case, saying nothing is the best way to guarantee that nothing will change. The only thing that could be less useful than not giving feedback, is complaining about people who do. We aren't the ones who are obsessed.

Feedback is always good.
And it's true, we don't what changes are necessary or the result of errors. Like the Moonkeeper fangs and Lalafell teeth.
But when will people consider when a change is a necessary one? A month after DT launch? A year?
Where to draw the line when the feedback is based on functional model appearances or simply personal preferences?

[aiqa]

Feedback is always good.
And it's true, we don't what changes are necessary or the result of errors. Like the Moonkeeper fangs and Lalafell teeth.
But when will people consider when a change is a necessary one? A month after DT launch? A year?
Where to draw the line when the feedback is based on functional model appearances or simply personal preferences?

That seems needlessly complicated, and a bit gatekeepery.

Like we are only allowed to provide feedback if the subject of the feedback impairs the imagined capabilities of the character? That seems like a rather arbitrary line to draw for game characters. Or does function in the context of game characters also include estethic consideration? Like "the function of this face is to look pleasing".
And what is an error exactly in this context? Is an severe estethic downgrade for most users of a face an error? (for example, look in the thread about fem hyur) Or is that the personal preference of a significant number of people?

[noumen0nn]

Feedback is always good.
And it's true, we don't what changes are necessary or the result of errors. Like the Moonkeeper fangs and Lalafell teeth.
But when will people consider when a change is a necessary one? A month after DT launch? A year?
Where to draw the line when the feedback is based on functional model appearances or simply personal preferences?

There is probably no solid answer to that question. There are even probably people who will never be satisfied with the new graphics. But it doesn't change anything? The point is that you people coming here and making judgements on whether any piece of given feedback is valid, accomplishes nothing except bloating the thread more. The devs will decide what to change and keep, they don't need your help. If you think people are being unreasonable about their preferences and expectations, then just don't engage, rather than making snarky remarks like what started this.

[Evergrey]

There is probably no solid answer to that question. There are even probably people who will never be satisfied with the new graphics. But it doesn't change anything? The point is that you people coming here and making judgements on whether any piece of given feedback is valid, accomplishes nothing except bloating the thread more. The devs will decide what to change and keep, they don't need your help. If you think people are being unreasonable about their preferences and expectations, then just don't engage, rather than making snarky remarks like what started this.

It's just like you said, the devs knows and will decide what to change or keep.
Yet there's been people who's complained that their feedback wasn't adressed between the 2 benchmark versions.
Was that because they didn't have time to adress them all, or was it in fact that the devs decided that those feedbacks weren't necessary.
We don't know, it's not like they make a list of feedback that they didn't deem necessary.
But if those feedbacks are still not adressed after launch, when can we as players come to term whether or not it is what the devs have decided how they want it?

I have no problems with people whom voice their concerns regarding some of the changes.
I do however worry that the very same people whom are pointing out everything are the ones that'll will get hurt the most in the end since SE have said that some visual changes will have to be done.
So I simply hope that people can keep it in mind that if something they voice as feedback isn't adressed due to the devs decisions that they can come to term with it and try to adjust and/or find some other options so that they can feel good about the character they'll be playing in DT and onwards.

[Bellsong]

SE: There will be some changes with the faces. Please understand.
Community: I'm gonna point out every single change.

I have no problems with people whom voice their concerns regarding some of the changes.
I do however worry that the very same people whom are pointing out everything are the ones that'll will get hurt the most in the end since SE have said that some visual changes will have to be done.
So I simply hope that people can keep it in mind that if something they voice as feedback isn't adressed due to the devs decisions that they can come to term with it and try to adjust and/or find some other options so that they can feel good about the character they'll be playing in DT and onwards.

Hmm, somehow I highly doubt you genuinely care about peoples feelings, but keep yapping I guess? Helps keep the thread on the front page.

SE: Some changes will have to be made, but please keep giving us feedback!
Evergrey: I'm gonna make it a point to tell people that some changes are here to stay, so they actually shouldn't give detailed feedback.

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I've never seen a post edited so many times just to yap, wild.

[Evergrey]

Hmm, somehow I highly doubt you genuinely care about peoples feelings, but keep yapping I guess? Helps keep the thread on the front page.

Sometimes people needs a small nudge.
Some who are so deep into something might not realize it because it's all they can think of.
Which is why I'm trying to make a point that some changes will be here to stay, regardless of how much people say.
An open mind has far better chances to accept change than a closed one.
And by that, hopefully won't get hurt as much in the end.

It's kinda like when someone asks another if they could, let's say, borrow some cash and gets a "no" as a response.
Some of those who asked will then turn upset because they didn't get a "yes".

Feedback is similar in that regard.
Feedback is good and it lets the Devs know something that might need some rework.
But if said feedback is deemed unneeded a lot of people will get upset because their feedback was "ignored".

SE: Some changes will have to be made, but please keep giving us feedback!
Evergrey: I'm gonna make it a point to tell people that some changes are here to stay, so they actually shouldn't give detailed feedback.

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If you can find and quote from me where I specifically say "Don't give detailed feedback", let me know.
I'm genuinly curious if I've said it or not.
And if so I will stand corrected.

Also, it seems like I've reached my daily limit for today.
So I won't be able to reply unless I edit an old post.

I've never seen a post edited so many times just to yap, wild.

For someone calling out others to yap, you're the one who was yaping out loud.
just sayin'

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