Updated benchmark

[LlymlaenGreene]

The comments in that thread are one guy suggesting you use the official forums for your feedback, one guy suggesting you add more detailed information about what you feel is wrong, and everyone else calmly saying they don't see much of a difference which isn't any different than what a lot of people have been telling you here. To call all those people "cultists" just because they didn't all agree with you is pretty ridiculous.

Thank you, I wish you only the best, I do not hate you, we disliked each other from the very beginning, but nevertheless, I am of the opinion that reddit, as they said here on the forum. toxic echo chamber. They don't like any criticism when the first benchmark came out, even here on the forum there was a topic why ff14 reddit likes the new look, but on the forum they only complain, and it's all about the lighting. And it turns out that when Yoshi issued an appeal for a new benchmark, it turns out that reddit agrees that they have changed not only the lighting. Where the wind blows, so do they, the user.

They may disagree, as I do with them * by the way, you have successfully kept silent about those who say that for them it is absolutely the same picture, or a tip to hire a personal and graphic designer and an artist to draw me a character? Although if you look closely for more than three seconds, you can see that, the most banal thing is that she does not have a smile and has bags under her eyes, which makes her tired. Do I need to explain to you the difference between a smiling person who has had enough sleep, between a person who does not smile and has bags under his eyes? And that even if they see small changes, it doesn't mean anything to them. Well, that's a big difference for me.*,
but they literally hate that someone disagrees with them. For them updating is the maximum and exact improvement to such an extent that they literally ban me and delete my objectionable post. A public spanking, nothing to say.
That is, it makes no difference to them whether there are dissatisfied or not. The most they highlight of the problems is mikote's fangs or elezen's smile. The community is as tolerant as possible, and there can be no objective criticism there. Well, or when their favorite streamer says that there are problems with the content, then yes, the crowd will pick it up and make post after post about it.
if you think that I personally say that everyone there is not like that, then no, the people there are wonderful, but the community itself... a herd instinct when it comes to something not so positive. For reference, I've been reading reddit since I started playing this game. In general, yes, it is not intended for criticism, but I thought that it was possible to make public something, but as you can see, I can only get banned for an objectionable opinion and request

so let's not discuss this any further, I'll just stand by my opinion about reddit.


It's no different for you. For many hyurs, including me, it is different. * I can also say that I don't see any difference with the fact that you want to get your eyebrows back, and I can tell you that, for me, this is an insignificant difference, so I don't care what you want to get back.* But I do not do this and respect any opinion, since it is not for me to play your character, but you will play this character. I never give a damn about other people's opinions and beliefs.* But I still think that the original look, which the developers promised us, is a priority. If you want to add new noses, add them, but do not replace the current ones.* It's funny that those who disagree with graphic updates, for the most part, say to return the original look, and add new looks as an option. As for whether this is feasible or not, I do not know. But the behavior is quite loyal.
And those who are happy, I often see it, they just say, accept it. This is not possible with such a graphical update. Or that they have implemented some new algorithms. Which is pretty selfish. It's nice to be in the majority and raise your voice, knowing that they will stand up for you, haha.
If their artists * or artificial intelligence* are not able to copy characters and add polygons without changing the concept, then maybe they should hire new designers, who will be able to accomplish this *feat*? * no offense, it looks beautiful, but different *.

And you, in your message, even here you unequivocally hint that * even here most people say that the difference is small * literally, I just need to close my mouth and drink or eat what I was given. I'm sorry, but I figure it out when diluted powdered milk was poured into my glass instead of milk.

Reddit may not appreciate your efforts but I—and surely others—do. Thank you for your service to middie gang!

I am very grateful to you and I am actually in the process of photoshopping about every changed detail in hyur's faces. I hope I can do it right, since I don't have any drawing skills, and it takes a very long time to circle each pixel, which I do, hehe. And I hope the developers will take this feedback into account if I manage to do everything right.

[CidHeiral]

we disliked each other from the very beginning

Wut? I think I've interacted with you like one other time ever and I don't even remember what it was about lol.

And that even if they see small changes, it doesn't mean anything to them. Well, that's a big difference for me.*

You are entitled to have whatever opinion you want about your character. My point was that you shouldn't make rude comments about an entire group of people just because they don't agree with your opinion.

but they literally hate that someone disagrees with them. For them updating is the maximum and exact improvement to such an extent that they literally ban me and delete my objectionable post.

I can't see your posts there because they were deleted but judging by your behavior here I would have to assume you had a meltdown about people not agreeing with you and you said some things unsavory enough to warrant a ban. If people were getting banned from the sub just for disagreeing with each other there wouldn't be anyone left.

[Evergrey]

I am very grateful to you and I am actually in the process of photoshopping about every changed detail in hyur's faces. I hope I can do it right, since I don't have any drawing skills, and it takes a very long time to circle each pixel, which I do, hehe. And I hope the developers will take this feedback into account if I manage to do everything right.

SE: There will be some changes with the faces. Please understand.
Community: I'm gonna point out every single change.

[noumen0nn]

SE: There will be some changes with the faces. Please understand.
Community: I'm gonna point out every single change.

is there a reason we shouldn't? if you don't like seeing our feedback maybe you shouldn't click on the thread that's explicitly about giving feedback.

[Evergrey]

is there a reason we shouldn't? if you don't like seeing our feedback maybe you shouldn't click on the thread that's explicitly about giving feedback.

I mean, when SE themselves have said that there will be some alterations with the update and yet people feel the need to point out every single one like it's not supposed to be there, isn't something wrong?
SE have said multiple times that there will be changes. Why can't people seem to understand that some changes has to be done?

Some changes are worse than others, sure.
But to point out every single tiny one, that's just obsession.
Do people really want FFXIV to have a visual upgrade or do people want to keep the 10+years old graphics?

Maybe SE should've made a survey before they started working on it to see what people actually really want.

[noumen0nn]

I mean, when SE themselves have said that there will be some alterations with the update and yet people feel the need to point out every single one like it's not supposed to be there, isn't something wrong?
SE have said multiple times that there will be changes. Why can't people seem to understand that some changes has to be done?

Some are worse than others.
But to point out every single tiny one, that's just obsession.

Because we as players have no solid way of knowing which changes are """necessary""", and which are a result of oversight/error/not getting around to it yet/etc, and if we're unhappy with what we see it's better to say something on the chance that its the latter. If we're wrong and its the former, SE artists and devs already know that and can just move to the next bit of feedback. Nor can you convince me that subtle changes to the shape of facial features are needed to make them fit the new rigs, given that the existing eye/nose/mouth/face options are quite different from one another yet can all use the exact same rig no problem.

In any case, saying nothing is the best way to guarantee that nothing will change. The only thing that could be less useful than not giving feedback, is complaining about people who do. We aren't the ones who are obsessed.

[Evergrey]

Because we as players have no solid way of knowing which changes are """necessary""", and which are a result of oversight/error/not getting around to it yet/etc, and if we're unhappy with what we see it's better to say something on the chance that its the latter. If we're wrong and its the former, SE artists and devs already know that and can just move to the next bit of feedback. Nor can you convince me that subtle changes to the shape of facial features are needed to make them fit the new rigs, given that the existing eye/nose/mouth/face options are quite different from one another yet can all use the exact same rig no problem.

In any case, saying nothing is the best way to guarantee that nothing will change. The only thing that could be less useful than not giving feedback, is complaining about people who do. We aren't the ones who are obsessed.

Feedback is always good.
And it's true, we don't what changes are necessary or the result of errors. Like the Moonkeeper fangs and Lalafell teeth.
But when will people consider when a change is a necessary one? A month after DT launch? A year?
Where to draw the line when the feedback is based on functional model appearances or simply personal preferences?

[aiqa]

Feedback is always good.
And it's true, we don't what changes are necessary or the result of errors. Like the Moonkeeper fangs and Lalafell teeth.
But when will people consider when a change is a necessary one? A month after DT launch? A year?
Where to draw the line when the feedback is based on functional model appearances or simply personal preferences?

That seems needlessly complicated, and a bit gatekeepery.

Like we are only allowed to provide feedback if the subject of the feedback impairs the imagined capabilities of the character? That seems like a rather arbitrary line to draw for game characters. Or does function in the context of game characters also include estethic consideration? Like "the function of this face is to look pleasing".
And what is an error exactly in this context? Is an severe estethic downgrade for most users of a face an error? (for example, look in the thread about fem hyur) Or is that the personal preference of a significant number of people?

[noumen0nn]

Feedback is always good.
And it's true, we don't what changes are necessary or the result of errors. Like the Moonkeeper fangs and Lalafell teeth.
But when will people consider when a change is a necessary one? A month after DT launch? A year?
Where to draw the line when the feedback is based on functional model appearances or simply personal preferences?

There is probably no solid answer to that question. There are even probably people who will never be satisfied with the new graphics. But it doesn't change anything? The point is that you people coming here and making judgements on whether any piece of given feedback is valid, accomplishes nothing except bloating the thread more. The devs will decide what to change and keep, they don't need your help. If you think people are being unreasonable about their preferences and expectations, then just don't engage, rather than making snarky remarks like what started this.

[LlymlaenGreene]

SE: There will be some changes with the faces. Please understand.
Community: I'm gonna point out every single change.

but literally another person advises me to make a comparison of all the details that I am not satisfied with. Me: I want to do it. You: Don't do it.
Yes, I'm going to point it out, because they promise us that they will recreate the characters as accurately as possible. They have done what we have now. also SE themselves say on the benchmark page that they are open to feedback and ready to correct or make necessary changes. That is, they ask for feedback themselves. And what I don't like is up to me to decide, that is, any elements that don't look right. Is there a smile? No. But there was. Were the eyes of a different shape and changed? Yes. So you need to inform, and so on.

Wut? I think I've interacted with you like one other time ever and I don't even remember what it was about lol.



You are entitled to have whatever opinion you want about your character. My point was that you shouldn't make rude comments about an entire group of people just because they don't agree with your opinion.



I can't see your posts there because they were deleted but judging by your behavior here I would have to assume you had a meltdown about people not agreeing with you and you said some things unsavory enough to warrant a ban. If people were getting banned from the sub just for disagreeing with each other there wouldn't be anyone left.

just five comments and the most polite request to pay attention to the problems of hyurs * my opinion*. If these comments deserve to be banned, then I do not know what to say here. But I was lynched, as if I broke into their house and stole their favorite vase. I agree with you about bans, ha ha. I do not know how reddit works, maybe I personally offended the moderator with something, or he got up on the wrong foot. And is there an opportunity for them to ban the entire account, or did the users give me dislikes and the page was deleted because of this. But the fact is that no one will be happy when their community, which they like, ban you

and actually, what's wrong with my posts? I never get personal, do I? *not counting the previous post, where I pointed out new artists and 3d designers. Yes, I went too far, but no one is perfect. It's just that sometimes I start to feel like I'm the only one who sees the difference, and that I should just keep quiet. But if no one gives feedback, then the company can do anything. Leave the same fangs intact.