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    Please forgive me quoting myself, but I was intrigued what changes have caused my character to be this different for me.
    Quote Originally Posted by riani View Post
    Current - Bench 1.0 - Bench 1.1:
    Here are my investigations, which made me accept the changes more readily.






    Anatomically I don't believe there is anything to pinpoint. Maybe there is a slight tilt of the head, maybe the shape of the forehead is a little different, or maybe the lips are more uniquely defined in the original or more plump in the new, but I believe it's mostly - if not entirely - the new lighting that is causing me to perceive the face to be different, shorter for example. (And the skin shade change doesn't help, but that's not an issue and could be easily adjusted, if I wanted.)

    Otherwise, I believe there are 2 main differences and 1 minor in the textures:
    - outer eye shape: on the original both the eyeliner line and the embedded shadow above it go upwards, and in the benchmark, downwards.
    - inner eye texture (minor): on the original, the inner eye looks more open, as the texture lines there are a little bit farther away from the actual white of the eyes and they go more upwards there than out.
    - mouth: (the mouth is open in the original and) both lips have a more unique shape. Also in the original the mouth is wider, because the texture didn't seem to end at the actual corner of the mouth. - I think it was the right choice to correct this last bit though.

    So overall I do think it would approximate the original character (and personality) more if the texture around the eyes were tweaked - opening up the inner parts and lifting the outer. The mouth could be tweaked as well so that it would be more unique, but I don't think it would change the face as much as the eyes.

    But otherwise, I do believe they made good and realistic choices to upgrade the character. Maybe all we have to do is to get used to those parts that seem different. (And maybe, just maybe hope the devs consider some little tweaks )
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    Quote Originally Posted by riani View Post
    Please forgive me quoting myself, but I was intrigued what changes have caused my character to be this different for me.


    Here are my investigations, which made me accept the changes more readily.






    Anatomically I don't believe there is anything to pinpoint. Maybe there is a slight tilt of the head, maybe the shape of the forehead is a little different, or maybe the lips are more uniquely defined in the original or more plump in the new, but I believe it's mostly - if not entirely - the new lighting that is causing me to perceive the face to be different, shorter for example. (And the skin shade change doesn't help, but that's not an issue and could be easily adjusted, if I wanted.)

    Otherwise, I believe there are 2 main differences and 1 minor in the textures:
    - outer eye shape: on the original both the eyeliner line and the embedded shadow above it go upwards, and in the benchmark, downwards.
    - inner eye texture (minor): on the original, the inner eye looks more open, as the texture lines there are a little bit farther away from the actual white of the eyes and they go more upwards there than out.
    - mouth: (the mouth is open in the original and) both lips have a more unique shape. Also in the original the mouth is wider, because the texture didn't seem to end at the actual corner of the mouth. - I think it was the right choice to correct this last bit though.

    So overall I do think it would approximate the original character (and personality) more if the texture around the eyes were tweaked - opening up the inner parts and lifting the outer. The mouth could be tweaked as well so that it would be more unique, but I don't think it would change the face as much as the eyes.

    But otherwise, I do believe they made good and realistic choices to upgrade the character. Maybe all we have to do is to get used to those parts that seem different. (And maybe, just maybe hope the devs consider some little tweaks )
    You detailled your post so well, I wholeheartedly agree!
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    Quote Originally Posted by asrali View Post
    You detailled your post so well, I wholeheartedly agree!
    Thank you!
    I've posted it on the Japanese forum as well, giving us highlanders a little bit more exposure
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    Quote Originally Posted by riani View Post
    Maybe all we have to do is to get used to those parts that seem different.
    The human brain is wired to react negatively to change. In the field I work in, when we push out an update half the users always kneejerk hate it, then 2-3 weeks later nobody cares. Plus some people will never be happy until the updated models are a 1:1 exact duplication of the old ones, which is impossible with an upgrade like this. That's why we're all getting a free fantasia. All of that isn't to say that there aren't some legitimate issues however.

    Regarding your suggested alterations, I would personally prefer if they didn't touch the face any further. I think it looks fine as is even with those small differences and other differences you didn't mention but I noticed. Every pass of tweaks is another opportunity for the devs to make the face worse. I thought my 1.0 benchmark face was perfect besides a weird lip issue, but then I lost a very cool looking eye makeup detail because other people can't handle a single pixel being different than the original. Now I'm nervous about what else they'll "fix" in the future.

    And before anyone jumps down my throat, I'm not saying your feedback is wrong or you shouldn't give it. I use some of the same options you do, so because this particular feedback effects me directly, I am giving my opposing feedback.
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