Updated benchmark

[azaleai]

The characters look great, they still look like themselves with more details and to effectively play the game everyone is zoomed out to the max, so why are we getting this upset? I don't understand.

I do agree with you that some things people are posting about are very minor nit-picks, but I do also want to point out that the game has a lot of cutscenes that zoom in real close on your character's face... The benchmark included. So getting the faces right is kind of important.

But also, I'm going to have to disagree with you on the 'more detailed' part, at least in the case of my face.



I believe this was a screenshot I took in the 1.0 benchmark not 1.1 but the normal map hasn't changed so this screenshot works fine.

A normal map is the texture that tells the engine to pretend light is hitting a face from a specific angle, used to give the impression of more detailed geometry with less of the processing power a high poly model would require.

If you zoom into the upper left screenshot, you can see in the current graphics that the light and shadows on the brow give the impression of creases in the geometry for not just the fold of the eyelid, but also extending further beyond the inner corner of the eye, an additional crease above it, and a definitive line across the bridge of the nose with faint hints of the actual brow muscle extending upwards. I've outlined them in the lower left.

Meanwhile on the benchmark face in the top right, they've added (admittedly misaligned) normal definition to the lips and cupids bow, but utterly removed it from the creases of the brow aside from the fold of the eyelid. Again, I've outlined the normals detail below. Instead, they've given us an unblended tattoo-like "shadow" on the diffuse (colour) map.

This doesn't look "great". Perhaps to someone who doesn't work in 3D modelling it doesn't seem that bad, but it's certainly not more detailed. I really don't know how to explain that there's literally a huge chunk of baked normal map information completely missing any clearer, not without getting ahold of the literal maps themselves.

[Print_Screen]

Can I submit a bug report for my character if I am unhappy with the new model (and have some side-by-sides to point to, not just a gut feeling)? Or is that only for obvious errors like mismatched textures, hair clipping etc?

[Iscah]

Can I submit a bug report for my character if I am unhappy with the new model? Or is that only for obvious errors like mismatched textures, hair clipping etc?

No harm in trying, if you can show how it is different to the current model.

[Plushy]

I see I hit such a nerve
Your insecurity reeks.
Cope, seethe

Really? Using the "you pressed?" tactic?
I expected more from you doopliss. Pretty pathetic...Though I suppose its a pretty common online argument tactic when you don't know what to say so you resort to petty attacks and projections.
At least try to hide the fact you're self projecting. Make me work for it.
Allow me to break it down for you so you understand? I'll be detailed so you understand since I know its a bit hard for you ^^

"I see I hit a nerve"
No no...it seems I have.
You at first said you were going to ignore my post (but you and I both know you read it, you just decided to not reply but its clear it pissed you off after probably rereading it) but you later came back to reply because it quiet literally struck a nerve that you replied with a clear inflammatory reply filled with ad hominem, attacking me rather than my points. If that's not a obvious showing of striking your nerve I don't know what is.

"Your insecurity reeks." again...attacking me/ resorting to ad hominems rather than attacking my points by trying to say I'm insecure so you have something to use against me. Commonly used online when someone is mad...not a good look doopliss.

"Cope, seethe" Read Point one about striking a nerve. Your post just reeks of angry typing.
The typos you made any normal person wouldn't misspell if they were calm and had a good grasp of English writing and spelling; attacking me by saying I'm insecure, saying "I'M" the one seething and the repeated use of the word -cope- when you're actually using it wrong and it doesn't apply to me. I have no reason to cope because at this moment. I'm getting what I want. I like how the characters look, if anybody is coping it's you since you're still using old slides of "we're going to keep the feel of the overall look of the characters" you're using that argument to try to convince yourself they can still change the characters aka "coping". Also love how you conveniently left of the part where yoshi-p said "there will be some differences" Aka...another sign of coping :P

Tip...if you're going to project...don't make it so obvious ^^

I apologize for this but curiosity got the best of me during lunch.

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...ecd574ad0d397a
Or here, since it appears you struggle to read.

Whats funny here is if you look above you'll see it says character creation environmental parameters aka character creation background.
So if you had decent reading comprehension and understood what you read and the context; you would know they're talking about the character creation background. To go further they've been talking about it since the whole benchmark problems started and how they should have updated it.
Your first post however suggested they didn't add the lighting to the -actual- game rather than the character creation backgrounds since you said "does nobody else find it actually insane and telling that major lighting changes were done within a month--not just for characters, but for the whole game? The gameplay trailer even uses the old lighting and it shows! It looks bad! This stuff clearly isn't fully baked!" This suggests you're talking about the actual game rather than just the character creation menu when they actually shown the new lighting in the job action LL and also the new lighting in the media tour videos which is a 2+ month old build of the game.
Sooo uhh...nice try? You just made yourself look dumb. I thought you were going to delete it but you didn't lol...So who actually struggles to read? because it sure isn't me.
I have a discord if you want me to teach you basic reading comprehension. I'll gladly assist c:

I'm not going to address the rest of your post because you lost my respect and I'm not going to put effort in disproving you further since I already embarrassed you anyway.
I know you're going to read this so....Enjoy your new elezen!

Oh...forgot to tackle this...

1 for 1 for "shit I made up and am stating like it's more of a fact".

https://twitter.com/Harada_TEKKEN/st...57450176577537
"I have said here many times that you should write in your native language because if someone without skills uses a Japanese translation service, it will be unintelligible." ^^ sooo who's making stuff up? sure isn't me~ So what was it you said? Cope, seethe~ doopliss~

[lunartears]

Preliminary patch notes are live on the Lodestone, there's a few low res photos of character models if anyone is curious about what we're getting in the graphics update launch.



No notable changes on female Au Ra faces, I know it's not out yet and I didn't expect anything to change but I'm already feeling defeated.

Is anyone planning to create a new thread for discussion of the graphics update when 7.0 comes out? I don't think benchmark thread will be appropriate and it would be nice to keep the conversation going.

[Turnintino]

I don't think benchmark thread will be appropriate and it would be nice to keep the conversation going.

Agreed, although I'd hope any devs looking for things like this wouldn't disregard this wholesale over semantics. If another thread is made, maybe it should include a link to this one (and maybe alongside any other threads with unresolved concerns from the benchmark) for easy reference, so the discussion here in the NA forums feels less scattered.

[Iscah]

[Loggos]

Well, I guess this is my transformation from an edgy atheist into a church choir soloist.

'Twas a good time.



(yes, this is exaggerated bc joke)

[LlymlaenGreene]

I want to point out with what love and precision they recreated the stones and outfits, almost pixel by pixel.

it's even a little envious that my character has lips, and not this stone instead of them.