Updated benchmark

[azaleai]

My three reports on JP side (including the normal map issues on face 2 femroe - the nose mark flat diffuse being too light in new engine - the issue with the black pupils on femroe while m!roe face 2 got to keep their coloured ones) all got filed to Not A Bug, despite the normal map issue clearly being... a problem given the baked in flat diffuse for the brow keeps the shadow made for that normal map, and the loss of racial specific traits.

That's... insane. I've SEEN the current/new normal maps being passed around discords, there's literally nothing on the brows of the new one except pores while the current is perfectly detailed. "Graphical update" my arse, this is an obvious and definitive downgrade.

Let's hope it's like the lalafell teeth and they've already slated it for fixing... or it's a misfile on the JP side and they'll listen on EN... /copium

I've got my fantasia ready either way and will have to say goodbye to my character of 9+ years if they're not adjusted. I can live OK without the coloured pupils even if I hate them, but the racial traits being toned down or removed outright is inexcusable (to me - I stress it's inexcusable to me/in my eyes; if it's the direction they want to do going forward then that's just what it is, it just means I'll no longer play any of my femroes since they're all hellsguard.)

I don't think I can bring myself to fanta... I love my character as she is too much. I honestly think I'm more likely to quit playing than fanta, this whole thing has soured me too much that I don't think I have the energy to try to get attached to a new race, y'know?

On an unrelated note, anybody here know how people mod the game? asking for a friend, of course (/jk) P: I'm sure if SE won't fix it, someone will... Leaving in stuff like this and marking it "not a bug" sure feels like a great way to push people into modding, though.

[Doopliss]

I've generally tried to stop posting on the ENG side of this topic because I get much more curt and frustrated than on the JP thread.

Still, like in the JP thread, I implore people who are unsatisfied with the changes to continue sharing their concerns and urging the dev team for more transparent communication, even once 7.0 arrives.

The updated Benchmark was a good start, but does nobody else find it actually insane and telling that major lighting changes were done within a month--not just for characters, but for the whole game? The gameplay trailer even uses the old lighting and it shows! It looks bad! This stuff clearly isn't fully baked!

Also, I'm gonna sound like an asshole, but it's so tiring seeing people come into this thread and claim those who want the development team to live up to their promise of "keeping character impressions the same" are taking it too literally and are stating subjective opinions as fact, then in the same breath will decide their own equally subjective opinion is the actual fact.

I suggest anyone trying to share their concerns and desire for SE to live up to their promises to just stop bothering with those guys. Some okay with the benchmark are clearly hypocritically scared about losing something too, but in the end, for them it's just, "well I got mine so screw you," lol.




These don't seem very subjective to me. Especially the last line people like to ignore.

It astounds me people would be against adjustments, anyway? If you care so little about the changes in the first place, adjustments likely won't have an effect on you.

Besides, much of the update objectively seems bad. The lighting is better, some normal maps improved significantly, and now I guess when you zoom in you can see the wrinkles on your forehead, because that matters(?)

But at the same time so many color options are broken for skin and hair. Iris sizes have changed significantly at random along with some colors displaying way too brightly (fem Viera, for example). And why are so many noses now bulbous at the bottom when they were smooth slopes before? Why do upturned eyes barely exist as an option now? Several faces have bumpy, uneven geometry now, too. Lip shapes are still less defined and mostly worse across the board.

There's missing clan features for several different races. Au Ra still have scuffed textures. Actually, there's random texture and lighting errors everywhere. Roegadyn women are outright missing normal maps and have an intense darkness added to their eyes, and so do Au Ra men. You can still barely make out male Au Ra iris color if you choose limbal rings. My fem Highlander has gloss thrown in her eyeliner and hair that causes her to look permanently wet, making it feel like they didn't have time to check those features' contrast with the darkest skin tones.

The tips of some tails have been cut off. Lalafell are missing bellybuttons. Holes in hairstyles that weren't present before. The list goes on.

It's honestly incredible how more detailed textures and some more intense lighting can trick the brain into thinking something so obviously unfinished looks better.

[Plushy]

does nobody else find it actually insane and telling that major lighting changes were done within a month--not just for characters, but for the whole game? The gameplay trailer even uses the old lighting and it shows! It looks bad! This stuff clearly isn't fully baked!

Didn't realize you played Dawntrail early than everybody else to know that. Also guess you missed the media tour and didn't hear how everybody said its like 2months old and you can clearly see the updated lighting and textures...I suggest giving them a watch unless you don't want spoilers. Then in that case, don't speak on this unless you know what you're talking about.

I've generally tried to stop posting on the ENG side of this topic because I get much more curt and frustrated than on the JP thread.

Going to be blunt. Its because you want/ like the echo chamber going on there. Unlike americans/EU, the japanese are less likely to speak up and defend what they like when they see the majority being dissatisfied, there were a couple of comments saying they like the changes but they were quickly drowned out by just like NA, the same people posting. There are other factors too but basically just cultural differences in forum etiquette between JP and NA/EU. Over here we're not afraid to call you out more often like I'm doing now.
Overall. You just want a echo chamber its why you get annoyed.

I suggest anyone trying to share their concerns and desire for SE to live up to their promises to just stop bothering with those guys. Some okay with the benchmark are clearly hypocritically scared about losing something too, but in the end, for them it's just, "well I got mine so screw you," lol.
It astounds me people would be against adjustments, anyway? If you care so little about the changes in the first place, adjustments likely won't have an effect on you.

Actually It does affect me because a lot of requests are things I like. You sound like a hypocrite with the "well got mine so screw you" because that can go both ways no? Everything else you said is subjective. Male au ra iris were always hard to see even in the 6.58 because their iris are really small. Not sure what you mean by au ra scuffed textures...they scales? Iris sizes changes significantly? hyperbole won't help you btw... lips are way more defined actually rather than looking like plastic gloss like in 6.58.
The rest you pointed out are obvious bugs so not sure why you included it other than to attempt to make the graphics update sound bad and fluff your post.

Overall go post on the JP forums if you don't want to be challenged.(Though other than a couple of posts to spread your feedback. I think its cringe to -keep- posting in a foreign forums and chat when you don't even speak their language and the only way to talk to them is through a translator. Its why when I posted there I didn't try to talk with people.)
Btw....posting in the JP won't make your feedback get heard anymore than posting in your native language. The JP players said multiple times the grass isn't greener on the other side and more than one person said JP players actually think SE listens to us more just like how we think SE listens to JP more.
Basically....Just because you don't get what you want doesn't mean SE isn't listening and posting in the JP forums won't increase your chances of getting what you want. If anything I bet your feedback won't even get forwarded to the DEV's since I'm told its very obvious when people use a translator for japanese and it makes it hard to read for native speakers.

[Doopliss]

Didn't realize you played Dawntrail early than everybody else to know that. Also guess you missed the media tour and didn't hear how everybody said its like 2months old and you can clearly see the updated lighting and textures...I suggest giving them a watch unless you don't want spoilers. Then in that case, don't speak on this unless you know what you're talking about.


Going to be blunt. Its because you want/ like the echo chamber going on there. Unlike americans/EU, the japanese are less likely to speak up and defend what they like when they see the majority being dissatisfied, there were a couple of comments saying they like the changes but they were quickly drowned out by just like NA, the same people posting. There are other factors too but basically just cultural differences in forum etiquette between JP and NA/EU. Over here we're not afraid to call you out more often like I'm doing now.
Overall. You just want a echo chamber its why you get annoyed.




Actually It does affect me because a lot of requests are things I like. You sound like a hypocrite with the "well got mine so screw you" because that can go both ways no? Everything else you said is subjective. Male au ra iris were always hard to see even in the 6.58 because their iris are really small. Not sure what you mean by au ra scuffed textures...they scales? Iris sizes changes significantly? hyperbole won't help you btw... lips are way more defined actually rather than looking like plastic gloss like in 6.58.
The rest you pointed out are obvious bugs so not sure why you included it other than to attempt to make the graphics update sound bad and fluff your post.

Overall go post on the JP forums if you don't want to be challenged.(Though other than a couple of posts to spread your feedback. I think its cringe to -keep- posting in a foreign forums and chat when you don't even speak their language and the only way to talk to them is through a translator. Its why when I posted there I didn't try to talk with people.)
Btw....posting in the JP won't make your feedback get heard anymore than posting in your native language. The JP players said multiple times the grass isn't greener on the other side and more than one person said JP players actually think SE listens to us more just like how we think SE listens to JP more.
Basically....Just because you don't get what you want doesn't mean SE isn't listening and posting in the JP forums won't increase your chances of getting what you want. If anything I bet your feedback won't even get forwarded to the DEV's since I'm told its very obvious when people use a translator for japanese and it makes it hard to read for native speakers.

lol man i'm not readin' a full post from plushy. that's great or i'm sorry for you or whatever this says.
go continue coping by stalking twitter posts or whatever it is you do. see ya

[Doopliss]

I apologize for this but curiosity got the best of me during lunch.

Didn't realize you played Dawntrail early than everybody else to know that. Also guess you missed the media tour and didn't hear how everybody said its like 2months old and you can clearly see the updated lighting and textures...I suggest giving them a watch unless you don't want spoilers. Then in that case, don't speak on this unless you know what you're talking about.

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...ecd574ad0d397a
Or here, since it appears you struggle to read.

Going to be blunt. Its because you want/ like the echo chamber going on there. Unlike americans/EU, the japanese are less likely to speak up and defend what they like when they see the majority being dissatisfied, there were a couple of comments saying they like the changes but they were quickly drowned out by just like NA, the same people posting. There are other factors too but basically just cultural differences in forum etiquette between JP and NA/EU. Over here we're not afraid to call you out more often like I'm doing now.
Overall. You just want a echo chamber its why you get annoyed.

Your insecurity reeks. My post wasn't directed at you in particular but I see I hit such a nerve that your only way of coping now is to attempt to be a bad armchair psychologist toward people you lack better arguments for.

I post there because the moderators are present and it's more organized, and even then it's been a total of five posts; with the large ones being mainly posts about bugs or oversights I believe people missed, or going out of my way to actually defend the developers, lol. I had a couple of small replies to other ENG speakers.

Actually It does affect me because a lot of requests are things I like. You sound like a hypocrite with the "well got mine so screw you" because that can go both ways no? Everything else you said is subjective. Male au ra iris were always hard to see even in the 6.58 because their iris are really small. Not sure what you mean by au ra scuffed textures...they scales? Iris sizes changes significantly? hyperbole won't help you btw... lips are way more defined actually rather than looking like plastic gloss like in 6.58.
The rest you pointed out are obvious bugs so not sure why you included it other than to attempt to make the graphics update sound bad and fluff your post.

I see you don't know what the word hypocrite means.

Male Au Ra irises are not currently hard to see, and lip gloss being better has nothing to do with the actual model definition. That's a hyperbole, dude.

If you look at the numerous posts about Au Ra outside of your obsession with their baby-like enlarged pupils, you can see they still have artifacts around their leg scales, particularly Raen. Female Au Ra face type 1 and 4 still have awkward, ugly rounded-out edges that used to be pointed. Male Au Ra face type 4 has the same issues. Go compare the fem Au Ra face type 1 "small pupil" option's iris size in the benchmark to the live version.

You're free to open the benchmark at any time and look with your eyes.

Also, I bring up the bugs because having such a large amount of them three weeks before launch is absurd. The developers clearly haven't been given enough time and I'm worried about them. But you can continue pretending things are objectively better.

Overall go post on the JP forums if you don't want to be challenged.(Though other than a couple of posts to spread your feedback. I think its cringe to -keep- posting in a foreign forums and chat when you don't even speak their language and the only way to talk to them is through a translator. Its why when I posted there I didn't try to talk with people.)
Btw....posting in the JP won't make your feedback get heard anymore than posting in your native language. The JP players said multiple times the grass isn't greener on the other side and more than one person said JP players actually think SE listens to us more just like how we think SE listens to JP more.

That's cool, man. I thought it was pretty cringe of you to keep posting that large list of twitter screenshots on the JP thread without poster permission, and then proceed to get into a back-and-forth with someone there. I've left posts I've disagreed with alone there, personally.

Kind of hypocritical, yeah?

Basically....Just because you don't get what you want doesn't mean SE isn't listening and posting in the JP forums won't increase your chances of getting what you want. If anything I bet your feedback won't even get forwarded to the DEV's since I'm told its very obvious when people use a translator for japanese and it makes it hard to read for native speakers.

1 for 1 for "shit I made up and am stating like it's more of a fact". Anyway, I'm done with this thread 'cause I said everything I had to say for real, and I should take my own advice. Cope, seethe, etc. See ya.

[Khryseis_Astra]

Whether that means they're just now aware of it and might adjust it we don't know, given the Lalafell Dolphin Teeth got filed to Not A Bug as well and it was something they actually fixed, or if they have decided this is where the design is meant to be (given the countdown art of face 2 with black pupils and missing the brow lines despite the vertical brows only on that face type...) I don't know.

I wish there was a little more clarity on that… but I guess they can’t really write a detailed explanation on every bug report that gets moved. But glad that even things that got declared “Not A Bug” have been fixed!

[Len_]

I don't think I can bring myself to fanta... I love my character as she is too much. I honestly think I'm more likely to quit playing than fanta, this whole thing has soured me too much that I don't think I have the energy to try to get attached to a new race, y'know?

You're not alone. This all made me realize that it's actually my character I'm attached to, not the game itself. I think if I had to start over with a new character there's no way it would be able to hold my interest. I think its the reason why I could never get invested in WoW, I didn't connect with my character and eventually got bored even though I did like the game.

[azaleai]

You're not alone. This all made me realize that it's actually my character I'm attached to, not the game itself. I think if I had to start over with a new character there's no way it would be able to hold my interest. I think its the reason why I could never get invested in WoW, I didn't connect with my character and eventually got bored even though I did like the game.

I had an alt at one point, who was... cute! fun little character design! perfectly interesting ideas for backstory! ...but I couldn't get them through Stormblood. I just had 0 drive or interest to play them (not to mention the fact the camera seemed to move so much faster on a lala than a roe so I got a mild bit of motion sickness from playing them lol). It wasn't until I fantasia'd and name change'd them into a direct clone of my main on another server that I actually wanted to play them and got them caught up.

Full disclosure, I do sorta have commitment issues when it comes to playing new games/movies/books - I would much rather replay/rewatch/reread something I know I like already than try something new that I might not, so I'm already predisposed to disliking this kind of situation. I'm passionate about the things I know I like, so I will absolutely be doing everything in my power to fix or come to terms with the issues I have - I've put waaay too much time into this game already to just throw it away at the drop of a hat.

[KitiaraIornsight]

Aside from actual messed up texture gaps, I am astounded by some of the complaints. The devs were clear the character models were being completely redone and there would be minor variations. As a WHOLE all of the characters look better, more real and less anime cartoony as a whole. But nitpicking the way the corners of a mouth slightly turn up or down or "oooh i found a slightly different zig instead of a zag on one scale" is just massively ridiculous. The characters look great, they still look like themselves with more details and to effectively play the game everyone is zoomed out to the max, so why are we getting this upset? I don't understand.

[Irishfae]

As a WHOLE all of the characters look better, more real and less anime cartoony as a whole.

Maybe to you, but you are entitled to your opinion, that doesn't make the opinion of those of us that do have issues any less valid.
And my character looks a whole lot more cartoony then she did pre-DT. She feels generic and the lines that gave her the specific look I like aren't there anymore. It is very disappointing.

But nitpicking the way the corners of a mouth slightly turn up or down or "oooh i found a slightly different zig instead of a zag on one scale" is just massively ridiculous.

Again, maybe you see it as such, but it changes the look and feel of the character. Especially for those of us who have played with the same one for years. That turn of the corner of the lip changes the character, it changes the look on a real person too.
This is a feedback thread; come in say you like it, but don't try to tell people they are being ridiculous because all the sudden their character has changed in a not 'good for them' way.

The characters look great, they still look like themselves with more details and to effectively play the game everyone is zoomed out to the max, so why are we getting this upset? I don't understand.

No, they don't, not to those of us who are taking our time to provide feedback - obviously if they looked like themselves and if we thought they looked great we wouldn't be providing that feedback, now would we?
And maybe you play with your camera that way all the time, that's cool, good for you; When I'm not in a dungeon or a raid, I have my camera nice and close and I'm sure many others play a similar way. I have gigs upon gigs of screenshots over 10 years (8 with my Au Ra) and now she is going to look like a sibling to my character instead of my character.
If you don't understand, that's fine, you don't have to, but don't come and start ridiculing those who have been taking the time and effort to put forth organized feedback.

In the end, it amounts to options. People like new, people like old. It would be lovely to have options for both. I'm sure there is a reason you chose the character options you did and reasons why you didn't choose others. What you find aesthetically pleasing may not be what others do. Plain and simple. And some of these reworked remodels are not as aesthetically pleasing to some of us as the originals were. You just have to accept some of us don't like the changes, and we have to accept that some do like the changes, but that doesn't stop us from providing that feedback they asked for.