With Activision and Bungies recent wins against cheat providers it is time SE's

[HikariKurosawa]

Two things:
Having 1 through 8 as markers is a recent thing, we didnt have that for the longest time.
In theory if you mark yourself as target to attack first you get 1, the next person gets 2 and so on. If two people do it at once however the game will simply eat one mark entirely.

You're free to make/join a static that doesnt use AM. Their experience often time isnt one of feeling accomplishment however for doing gaols without AM, instead it's a feeling of having wasted prog time on a badly designed mechanic. But by all means, try it out for yourself and then form an informed opinion about it.

I shouldn't have to join a static to avoid cheating though, it should be the norm. If anything I should have to join a static to use AM because people should be afraid of being reported for using it in an environment with strangers. I'm not suggesting that I report people for it, but I would bet that people do.

That's how it works if you don't specify the number of target to attack, but if you add the number into the macro like this "/mk attack6 <me>" it just works. At the start of the run, we would create a conga line with markers, then everyone would stand in order and put their associated macro on the bar and press it if they get targeted for gaol.

You can say stuff like "Their experience often time isnt one of feeling accomplishment however for doing gaols without AM, instead it's a feeling of having wasted prog time on a badly designed mechanic." but all it does is discredit those perspectives entirely. If they don't care, their opinion doesn't matter.

I think a lot of the time in this game, people are just not very bright at solving mechanics. Like for example ifrit dashes. You always have a square marker in the center of the arena in reasonable groups, you are always killing nails in Z pattern when it goes properly, you are always starting on the 4th ifrit. There will be 2 ifrit to the left, 2 to the right including the 4th one. Left = 1/3, Right = 2/4. All you have to do is pay attention to whether you are starting at the corner or face of the square in the middle, then simply run 90 or 45 degrees relative to the square marker in the middle depending on whether woke ifrit is left or right. left = short, right = long. It's always based on something centralized so you don't have to think about anything else. It works wherever you end up in the arena.

The one thing I will say is that we should have had target to attack 1-8 forever but it is what it is. There is no longer an excuse to cheat in this game.

[Saraide]

I shouldn't have to join a static to avoid cheating though, it should be the norm. If anything I should have to join a static to use AM because people should be afraid of being reported for using it in an environment with strangers. I'm not suggesting that I report people for it, but I would bet that people do.

Okay then dont. Or make a "no AM" PF. No one is required to join you though.

That's how it works if you don't specify the number of target to attack, but if you add the number into the macro like this "/mk attack6 <me>" it just works. At the start of the run, we would create a conga line with markers, then everyone would stand in order and put their associated macro on the bar and press it if they get targeted for gaol.

Like I said, that's only a recent thing. We used to only have 1 through 4.

You can say stuff like "Their experience often time isnt one of feeling accomplishment however for doing gaols without AM, instead it's a feeling of having wasted prog time on a badly designed mechanic." but all it does is discredit those perspectives entirely. If they don't care, their opinion doesn't matter.

And you think your opinion does?

I think a lot of the time in this game, people are just not very bright at solving mechanics. Like for example ifrit dashes. You always have a square marker in the center of the arena in reasonable groups, you are always killing nails in Z pattern when it goes properly, you are always starting on the 4th ifrit. There will be 2 ifrit to the left, 2 to the right including the 4th one. Left = 1/3, Right = 2/4. All you have to do is pay attention to whether you are starting at the corner or face of the square in the middle, then simply run 90 or 45 degrees relative to the square marker in the middle depending on whether woke ifrit is left or right. left = short, right = long. It's always based on something centralized so you don't have to think about anything else. It works wherever you end up in the arena.

We dont do ifrit dashes anymore.

[LyraShu]

While I am not expert in this, believe me I am not haha, it seems to be that there are some people want things to have more of a "black and white" - "This is da rules", while others want things to be more of a gray answer. I think it is going to be hard to find the "right" answer no matter which side of the fence you are on. It seems that either; you want any and all mod/cheat/3rd party blah to be blacklisted with the people using them banned, you want SOME things to be ok to use (glam mods/body mods type of things), or you want it all to be greenlisted and let it roll.

My two sense? I am apart of the crowd that thinks glam/body mods are not harmful to the game and should be allowed. I don't have some glorious reasoning as to why past "let people dress up how they want" type of mentality. If you want to stylize your scales on your AuRa because you want a few more options then just the colors we have, I don't think you should be banned or considered bad for that. If you want to put on some cool glowy outfit from glamming it up from mods, I think that is more fun then destructive. Hellz, mods that even let you change your summons are even more cool then destructive in my eyes. On the same hand, mods/stuffs that enable "botting" behavior or to "make things easier" I think should be taken away. To me, even from other games, it takes away from the game and turns players into robots that NEED to follow the computers commands or "we all die". Again, to keep it simple, mods that take away player interaction/choice seems bad to me.

All of this with with a caveat of, sometimes games needs modders. Example is Minecraft to be just stupid simple. While they allow modding so it isn't the best of examples ever, pistons became a real Minecraft feature because a modder created them first and put them in for their own enjoyment. I don't have the off-hang knowledge past Minecraft, but I am sure that other games have benefitted from the modding community due to their creativity at times.

So, back to my first point, I don't think there is a right answer for this. I think, no matter what, someone is going to hate it and leave for reason x or y. Really, I think SE needs to choose an answer and stick with it. I know my game would become more enjoyable at least KNOWING how SE stands on the subjects.

[HikariKurosawa]

Okay then dont. Or make a "no AM" PF. No one is required to join you though.

You're right, which is why it doesn't happen. Cheating is the only way to get a group in PF.

Like I said, that's only a recent thing. We used to only have 1 through 4.

You act like we didn't have all the other marker sets prior though. There have always been multiple sets and it was possible to assign priority based on the multiple sets that already worked fine in the past. It's just more streamlined now with markers 1-8 because you don't have to assign priorities to the different sets of markers.

And you think your opinion does?

In this specific context, absolutely.

We dont do ifrit dashes anymore.

That's going to change in dawntrail, and during prog you have to learn ifrit dashes because most groups do not execute the phase cleanly enough. Personally I don't think your clear is valid if you're so overgeared that you're skipping significant mechanics, but hey people love to skip difficulty in games. Not gonna happen like that in dawntrail though, so again, ifrit dashes will be relevant. The reason I brought it up is because the way people and guides explain it is that uhh... this community is just not as good at the game as they think they are. There's something to be said about ineloquence in explaining strategies and how it reflects on the comprehension of the mechanics.

[Saraide]

this community is just not as good at the game as they think they are.

Does this apply to you aswell?

[HikariKurosawa]

Does this apply to you aswell?

No? I don't think I am very good I haven't cleared a single ultimate and have extremely limited savage raid experience. What are you trying to get at anyway?

[Saraide]

No? I don't think I am very good I haven't cleared a single ultimate and have extremely limited savage raid experience. What are you trying to get at anyway?

Because you talk like someone who thinks themselves a god at the game.

[HikariKurosawa]

Because you talk like someone who thinks themselves a god at the game.

What because I think it's invalid to use a cheat? Because I think the people writing guides and making videos are really bad at explaining ifrit dashes?

[Doozer]

What because I think it's invalid to use a cheat? Because I think the people writing guides and making videos are really bad at explaining ifrit dashes?

Didn't you unsub in December because you were so fed up about "cheaters" in this game? Came crawling back because you realized it's not as big of a deal as you thought, huh.

[ForteNightshade]

You're right, which is why it doesn't happen. Cheating is the only way to get a group in PF.

Which is odd because earlier you talked about how the raid scene would increase in popularity if only SE finally banned the "evil, evil cheaters!!!" However, by your own admission, PF only exists to cheat. Therefore, logic dictates any sort of ban would result in a significant reduction in PF because, after all, "cheating is the only way to get a group in PF."

YThat's going to change in dawntrail, and during prog you have to learn ifrit dashes because most groups do not execute the phase cleanly enough. Personally I don't think your clear is valid if you're so overgeared that you're skipping significant mechanics, but hey people love to skip difficulty in games. Not gonna happen like that in dawntrail though, so again, ifrit dashes will be relevant. The reason I brought it up is because the way people and guides explain it is that uhh... this community is just not as good at the game as they think they are. There's something to be said about ineloquence in explaining strategies and how it reflects on the comprehension of the mechanics.

First and foremost, no, it won't. We skip dashes nowadays in UwU because of the enormous potency changes throughout the expansions and a lack of balance adjustment on older content. Unless the dev team plans a massive potency re-scaling, which they've made zero mention of, nothing will change. Regardless, if you think skipping significant mechanics invalidates the clear. How do you feel about JP who has four people kill themselves to avoid doing gaols entirely? There's no choice in the matter either. You simply won't get a party for UwU that doesn't do this because it's "simpler". The irony is despite not breaking any rules or "cheating," I'd argue it's worse than AM because at least with AM everyone still has to physically do the mechanic whereas the four plans running into the wall, do precisely that and can go grab a drink while they wait for a raise--literally not even being in the room when the mechanic goes off.