With Activision and Bungies recent wins against cheat providers it is time SE's

[Xylira]

Well I'm stuck in the difficult position that I really don't want anti-cheat in the game because so many anti-cheats tend to be heavy handed and invasive. On the other hand, I really do think the game's 'modding' scene is getting out of hand.

I run the client vanilla, no custom client, no mods, no plugins, and I increasingly feel like I'm at a distinct disadvantage over other players who do use these things. I occasionally PvP, which from all I've heard and the few videos and screenshots I've seen about what client plugins can (and can't) do, they do offer a significant advantage for those using them.

I also like to RP, but with the prevalence of one plugin in particular becoming so common over the past year, I actually have been having significant trouble with engaging others in RP. As in, I will get actively avoided if not outright ignored by RPers who do use that particular plugin with all of their mods. It got so bad I took a break from the game for six months ago, and having just recently come back it seems like the problem has only gotten worse.

At this point I feel like I'm getting increasing pressure into having to use the custom client to use plugins to be able to enjoy much of the game, even though I don't want to for a myriad of reasons, including that it's against the ToS, along with other security related concerns to do with them.

[Kuroka]

Its also always fun to see who openly uses em and supports em... truth is many play on consoles, or just vanilla on PC and dont even have a clue.. heck i play basically every day for 10 years and barely touched any RP as i dont seek it out, never touched an Venue except for the very few weeks one was in my neighborhood (until the true owner returned and kicked em all out lol)

I just did some more pvp and its sometimes you just immediately notice how much better some players are... and while im the first to be into lewd stuff, i just dislike how someone can just nude mod my Char whenever he feels like... it just shows a lack of... idk, decency?

[HikariKurosawa]

I always find it funny how people are afraid of a company like square enix implementing an anti-cheat with "kernel access", yet go on to install third party addons from sketchy sources that could be doing all sorts of questionable things with your computers. It's just a desperate defense at cheating at the end of the day because it's so inanely hypocritical that it doesn't make sense.

There's no company as big as square enix that is going to do anything nefarious with your privacy or whatever weird concerns you have just because they have kernel access. Stop the cope.

[Kuroka]

I always find it funny how people are afraid of a company like square enix implementing an anti-cheat with "kernel access", yet go on to install third party addons from sketchy sources that could be doing all sorts of questionable things with your computers. It's just a desperate defense at cheating at the end of the day because it's so inanely hypocritical that it doesn't make sense.

There's no company as big as square enix that is going to do anything nefarious with your privacy or whatever weird concerns you have just because they have kernel access. Stop the cope.

^This is so true. Like ok i get it with google or MS, but they dont sell data - at least not yet and would not gain anything from it.

[Absurdity]

There's no company as big as square enix that is going to do anything nefarious with your privacy or whatever weird concerns you have just because they have kernel access. Stop the cope.

I'm starting to wonder if you live in some kind of dream world that is detached from reality.

^This is so true. Like ok i get it with google or MS, but they dont sell data - at least not yet and would not gain anything from it.

Nobody gives a shit about them selling your data. The danger with kernel-level anti cheat is that it provides a potential angle of attack for hackers with easy access to your entire system.
We've seen it just this year with Apex Legends, where hackers were able to run cheat programs on participants' clients in an official tournament. And that's a mild exploit compared to what they could do with ring 0 access.

[Baingoleth]

The danger with kernel-level anti cheat is that it provides a potential angle of attack for hackers with easy access to your entire system.
We've seen it just this year with Apex Legends, where hackers were able to run cheat programs on participants' clients in an official tournament. And that's a mild exploit compared to what they could do with ring 0 access.

It's cool that you understand this. I think a lot of users just don't know how computers work beyond how to operate the GUI and they don't know good opsec.

I remember when I started using Linux I went into IRC as root on my newly installed system. I was quickly hacked. It was a whitehat thankfully who was sending messages to VT/1 telling me to NEVER run IRC as root. I was running ircii and there was a vulnerability. I'll never forget that lesson and I guard root carefully.

And is user level anti-cheat software really working well? If it was working well I wouldn't be encountering Linux gamers who are annoyed recently because Valorant and Call of Duty stopped working in Linux and even not working in a Windows VM guest. Cheaters have been just using ring 0 to get around the anti-cheat software and Linux is blocked now. So now Linux gamers who were playing fair can't play those games or they're booting into Windows on bare metal.

Ring 0 is the only way to ensure no cheating on the client side but that's not safe. Running cheat software that you got from some guy at ring 0 isn't safe either.

To me the issue looks like it can't be solved on the client side without losing players who won't tolerate such measures due to security concerns. I don't want to see any anti-cheat at ring 0 or any user level ring. I don't like what I've seen with games breaking because of it on Linux, even in the last few weeks. FFXIV is running great on Linux right now and I'm happy. Cheaters don't bother me at all anyway. I just don't care. I'm too busy having fun in FFXIV to be concerned with some people who got a clear with cheats. It doesn't affect me at all. And the game just works. If it stops working in Linux, I'll stop playing. And that's my concern. I'm seeing anti-cheat breaking games in Linux again and I don't want that to happen to FFXIV.

[Azureskies01]

I don't want to see any anti-cheat at ring 0 or any user level ring. I don't like what I've seen with games breaking because of it on Linux, even in the last few weeks. FFXIV is running great on Linux right now and I'm happy. Cheaters don't bother me at all anyway. I just don't care. I'm too busy having fun in FFXIV to be concerned with some people who got a clear with cheats. It doesn't affect me at all. [/IMG]

What games? For how long? what distros are effected? How were they launching the game? Through Lutris or Steam, or hooking into steam through lutris or another launcher? Like you say things that can't be argued against because you'll just say "trust me bro".

Also I'm glad you don't give a -redacted- but ya know what, lots of people do and I for one would love to be able to go into CC and know that people aren't cheating but I can't and it has to change.

Are you the TOS? The TOS are a rule set, not a holy scripture telling you how to think.

Considering every single person that has ever logged onto the game has agreed to the very same "rule set" then yeah it is pretty much the bible for FFXIV. To think otherwise is just plain -redacted-

[ZoeEudestand]

Maybe if the combat system didn't run like crap outside of Japan and the devs didn't make excuses for every QoL issue that a mod has already solved (that the devs then implement way later themselves) and the character creation wasn't so crusty, dated and limited then the people wouldn't mod so much but y'know. Id focus on the actual cheating (telehack, speed, botting, breaking the GCD hardcap etc) instead of barking about cosmetics and QoL. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Average trolling 6/10 for effort 2/10 for content, i bumped you up 1 point for saying you're smarter than everyone else.

[Somnolence]

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In addition to QoL, running the game in SteamDeck/other Linuxes would not be possible with anti-cheat at all.

I believe non-standard launcher is also used in these platforms since standard one has stability issues under Proton.

[Johners]

In addition to QoL, running the game in SteamDeck/other Linuxes would not be possible with anti-cheat at all.

I believe non-standard launcher is also used in these platforms since standard one has stability issues under Proton.

The third party launcher is handy on Steam Deck because the official launcher doesn't remember your password on PC. However, if they implemented proper single sign on like the Xbox version of the game has, opening the launcher would automatically authenticate into your Square Enix account (albeit this was only be useful for anybody playing through a Steam license and not a standalone Windows license).