With Activision and Bungies recent wins against cheat providers it is time SE's

[Baingoleth]

Most Linux users wouldn't want anti-cheat because for it to be effective it would need root access. Cheaters can just use a custom kernel and/or modules to bypass userland anti-cheat implementations. Linux users don't play the games with these sorts of anti-cheat measures because they aren't going to give those games root. And most of those games flat out flag Linux as a cheater OS anyway and refuse to work.

Some Linux users do cheat in such a way but the large majority don't cheat. They just don't want to run Windows or Mac. At this point, most Linux users have issues with the telemetry in Windows and Mac so they run Linux. And the number of Linux users playing this game is growing at a decent pace. It's probably not a large enough user base to be a major loss if this game got anti-cheat but that could change as players are forced to move from Windows 10 to Windows 11.

For the games with very effective anti-cheat, running Windows in a virtual machine isn't working anymore either. The anti-cheat software can detect a virtual machine running on a Linux host and block the player. That's because the Linux host can directly modify the running guest OS.

it's just one of those things. Linux FFXIV players know cheaters are fond of Linux but also know that anti-cheat software would have to get root, and well, the answer is no. No root. Linux gamers understand there will be some cheating if userland software is restricted to userland. From what I've seen from that crowd, the consensus is that they'll just put up with cheating in FFXIV and that it isn't a big enough deal to take any action. They're mostly just happy that FFXIV runs so well in WINE these days.

[HikariKurosawa]

I think, if this is factual, that this is the larger concern than whether or not mods/add-ons exist.

Why would people only want to play the game because of mods and not the game itself?

That says a lot about the quality of the game on its own, which I think should worry Square. Take out mods and all of the people that you're referring to would probably stop playing but would enough new people come in, in a quick time frame, to replace them? I'm not entirely sure.

It doesn't really. In a game with millions of players it doesn't mean much if 100 or even 5000 people hateplay it. There is not much to do about scummy people

[caffe_macchiato]

I absolutely would not give WoW as an example in this argument. If anything WoW is worse when it comes to third party tool usage. I'm not familiar with the fashion side of WoW modding, but raiding uses multiple programs to assist in their raiding scenes. Weak auras and tools akin to Cactbot are widely used and modern fights are designed around these player tools. Not to mention custom UI tools, rotation assist tools, and their own suite of parsing tools.

Do I need to link all the posts in this thread that claim an anti-cheat will kill the game because of how much everyone relies on third-party tools? Because that's what I'm reading in the majority of the posts here. I used to think that add-ons were rare in FFXIV. Unfortunately, they're not anymore.

she's very consistent with her hatred of the game.

Right, except there's one small problem. Third-party tools aren't FFXIV. They're things that you use because you don't like the game as-is. I don't need to use illegal third-party tools. You do.

And yes, judging by community sentiment, it seems that a lot of people don't like the gameplay in FFXIV, which is why they turned it into Second Life. I don't see a lot of positive sentiment for Endwalker either.

[Azureskies01]

Most Linux users wouldn't want anti-cheat because for it to be effective it would need root access. Cheaters can just use a custom kernel and/or modules to bypass userland anti-cheat implementations. Linux users don't play the games with these sorts of anti-cheat measures because they aren't going to give those games root. And most of those games flat out flag Linux as a cheater OS anyway and refuse to work.

Some Linux users do cheat in such a way but the large majority don't cheat. They just don't want to run Windows or Mac. At this point, most Linux users have issues with the telemetry in Windows and Mac so they run Linux. And the number of Linux users playing this game is growing at a decent pace. It's probably not a large enough user base to be a major loss if this game got anti-cheat but that could change as players are forced to move from Windows 10 to Windows 11.

For the games with very effective anti-cheat, running Windows in a virtual machine isn't working anymore either. The anti-cheat software can detect a virtual machine running on a Linux host and block the player. That's because the Linux host can directly modify the running guest OS.

it's just one of those things. Linux FFXIV players know cheaters are fond of Linux but also know that anti-cheat software would have to get root, and well, the answer is no. No root. Linux gamers understand there will be some cheating if userland software is restricted to userland. From what I've seen from that crowd, the consensus is that they'll just put up with cheating in FFXIV and that it isn't a big enough deal to take any action. They're mostly just happy that FFXIV runs so well in WINE these days.

Try and find a game that wont run on linux through steam. R6, HD2, DOTA2, and every other new/competitive game that can run through steam works on linux. Stop saying that linux users would be effected. That is as bad as people parroting other wrong people in saying japan has laws against anticheat software. It is just wrong.

Stop it, get some help.

[LynxDubh]

Do I need to link all the posts in this thread that claim an anti-cheat will kill the game because of how much everyone relies on third-party tools? Because that's what I'm reading in the majority of the posts here. I used to think that add-ons were rare in FFXIV. Unfortunately, they're not anymore.

I read the posts, I think they are all overblown, but I read them. I'm just pointing out that you seem to be ignorant of how heavily WoW's raiding scene relies on third party tools. Your argument would be more solid if you were not using an example of a game where the fights are built around the players having 3rd party tools and weak auras.

[Baingoleth]

Third-party tools aren't FFXIV. They're things that you use because you don't like the game as-is.

I suspect some people are used to certain features or mods in the MMORPG they were playing before FFXIV and just want to play FFXIV with those things they are used to. It can totally be seen as an unfair advantage but those players probably aren't motivated by the idea of getting an advantage over others. They see it as QoL. I'm not really sure the solution is to "get those players in trouble". They're genuinely into FFXIV and that's great. From my observation, SE has been very graceful in how they handle these players. They only seem to get involved when those players use their mods to harass others.

Probably a fairly small subset of modders are deliberately looking for an unfair advantage and it's kind of sad that they feel that way. It's far better to win the game within the bounds of the rules. It proves skill and it's very rewarding when getting that clear. As for world first clears of ultimates, I'm pretty sure SE is scrutinizing those runs. I don't even mind the people who cheat to win. I'm in no hurry to beat content before them. I feel pity for cheaters more than anything.

I guess some players want to change visual assets in the game. I don't get this at all. If it's for the look of your character, people without the mod don't see it anyway... And if you modded the game to have other players in various states of undress, you perv! lol

And yes, judging by community sentiment, it seems that a lot of people don't like the gameplay in FFXIV, which is why they turned it into Second Life.

Yeah, really. This is one thing that does have me a bit concerned. FFXIV is starting to get a negative rep over the ERP. I don't care if people want to ERP but FFXIV's is getting known for this among gamers. We don't want cool gamers deciding not to try FFXIV because they don't want to play that ERP game right? That said, I doubt that people are trying to make FFXIV into second life because they hate the content as much as they came here because they want to try the whole club thing they've heard about.

For me it would be enough if SE adds some way to filter out all the club advertisement spam. I find it annoying.

[KageTokage]

Honestly, if they actually actioned reports with any degree of frequency there likely wouldn't be any issues with cheaters.

The fact that you can catch people speedhacking just while casually moving about cities or ocean fishing yet they won't do anything about it is vexing to say in the least.

[Baingoleth]

Stop it, get some help.

Can you point me to the man page or something? I tried googling around for the help but my issue remains unresolved.

[Azureskies01]

Can you point me to the man page or something? I tried googling around for the help but my issue remains unresolved.

If it works on steam and says playable or better on steamdeck then it will work on any linux distro with steam installed just the same.

Yeah 2+ years ago when the deck was brand new there were issues with anti cheat in linux however that is not a thing anymore.

Also your post is just a bunch of paragraphs complaining about anti cheat (shocker) and saying that linux users wouldnt put up with anti cheat programs (yes they would because they currently do). There isn't a clear "issue" you have to be resolved... Unless of course you are trying to run games through steam on a VM in linux which... I, I have no idea you are going to have to clarify because that makes no sense. Just make sure proton is turned on and run the games through steam, even games that aren't steam games can be run through proton.

[Baingoleth]

If it works on steam and says playable or better on steamdeck then it will work on any linux distro with steam installed just the same.

Yeah 2+ years ago when the deck was brand new there were issues with anti cheat in linux however that is not a thing anymore.

Also your post is just a bunch of paragraphs complaining about anti cheat (shocker) and saying that linux users wouldnt put up with anti cheat programs (yes they would because they currently do). There isn't a clear "issue" you have to be resolved... Unless of course you are trying to run games through steam on a VM in linux which... I, I have no idea you are going to have to clarify because that makes no sense. Just make sure proton is turned on and run the games through steam, even games that aren't steam games can be run through proton.

After this I'm not going to reply to you again because you told me to "get some help" on a public forum and we only just met. It's not a civil discussion so I'll not engage with you further.

Easy Anti Cheat is afaik still working and is in userland.
The conversation with some Linux gamers has been about anti-cheat again because some games using battle eye broke. A bunch of players were running it in a VM for awhile to get around the breakage but now that's been detected and blocked also. The word is that the devs are aware that workarounds with custom kernels is directly hooking into the game process and fooling the anti-cheat. The solution could be to make it so the kernel is trusted but no one I know will allow such a thing. This is what scares Linux users. A game that currently works fine will break because of how anti-cheat is implemented.