Relic Weapons. CONCERNS/SUGGESTIONS

[EmSix]

This is the other side of the spectrum.
I had no idea grinding 20000 monsters + 15 NMs was considered skillful.
There's a reason a lot of people hated TotM on XI.

[lolodin]

I had no idea grinding 20000 monsters + 15 NMs was considered skillful.
There's a reason a lot of people hated TotM on XI.

so your saying what we have to do currently for relics requires skill? its just time consuming the only hard thing about it is Ifrit Extreme, the rest is luck and money.

[Nero]

so your saying what we have to do currently for relics requires skill? its just time consuming the only hard thing about it is Ifrit Extreme, the rest is luck and money.

You actually dont need a single Gil to get your Relic. By that.. SE should add a Stage where you have to pay 20.000.000, to get to the next Point.

[lolodin]

the double melded weapon required cost money if you do not have DoH/DOL so what do you mean?

[Nero]

the double melded weapon required cost money if you do not have DoH/DOL so what do you mean?

I said you dont need a single Gil. IF you want to pay go ahead, noone will hold you.. but who is forcing you?

Everything costs gil... if you are to lazy to farm, lazy to level DoH/DoL etc etc. But it doesnt mean that you are forced to pay money, since you can make it to the Relic without spending a single Gil, if you get your Items/ingredients by yourself, Spirtibond and Materia/Meld your Items, while you farm the Currency, join Groups for AV/Ifrit etc etc etc.

By the way.. you can get Items in Hamlet and Instances which you can actually sell. So basically you could make Money with getting a Relic.

The only people which are favoured by the current System, are people which put effort into it.

[Thanos]

I said you dont need a single Gil. IF you want to pay go ahead, noone will hold you.. but who is forcing you?

Everything costs gil... if you are to lazy to farm, lazy to level DoH/DoL etc etc. But it doesnt mean that you are forced to pay money, since you can make it to the Relic without spending a single Gil, if you get your Items/ingredients by yourself, Spirtibond and Materia/Meld your Items, while you farm the Currency, join Groups for AV/Ifrit etc etc etc.

By the way.. you can get Items in Hamlet and Instances which you can actually sell. So basically you could make Money with getting a Relic.

The only people which are favoured by the current System, are people which put effort into it.

Relic still cost money.. what do u mean it doesnt cost any gil? You still gotta buy the whetstones etc..... =)

[Nero]

Relic still cost money.. what do u mean it doesnt cost any gil? You still gotta buy the whetstones etc..... =)

You could! buy it
You could get it for free from a LS-Mate/friend
You could get it from someone in exchange for something else.
You could get the Weapon crafted by a LS-Mate/friend.
You could, if you are girl, give out some Boob-Pics and get it for free.

etc etc

Doesnt matter really .. Not a big deal and not making the whole Progress into "only for rich people".

[Felis]

the double melded weapon required cost money if you do not have DoH/DOL so what do you mean?

That is game content, too. Be part of the community. Maybe you need DoL, but for crafting you can ask a crafter

[fusional]

so your saying what we have to do currently for relics requires skill? its just time consuming the only hard thing about it is Ifrit Extreme, the rest is luck and money.

you're saying things you haven't yet experienced or beaten (AV/CC 17 min runs, DH 15min runs, relic faction leves, garuda) require no skill. alright, then. let's revisit this thread when you've got the experience to back up the claim.

but in the meantime, i don't understand the sense of entitlement so many players have about this. getting relic takes work. it takes DoH/DoL classes or a lot of farming, which equals work. it takes a fair sum of gil (even though i'm pretty poor and have never had more than 30m on me at any given time, yet i'm managing alright), which equals work. it takes grinding unfinished weapon spiritbond for hours, which equals work. and it requires completing several challenging steps to boot, which equals more work.

if you don't want to put in the work, or can't- fine. then relic isn't for you. but simply by virtue of it existing in the game, that doesn't mean you should automatically be entitled to it. relic was put here for the hardcores to put in a ton of work and get fast, and for everyone else to work toward as a long-term goal.

but whether hardcore or casual, expecting to get it overnight with just a few hours of time invested is downright silly. the game has items people can easily obtain with that amount of effort. and now it also has items people have to put exponentially more effort into in order to obtain.

if you still want relic, level your DoH and DoL or put in a lot of time farming. network. find people who can convert your mats into the weapons you'll need to meld. watch the auction house. make a concerted effort to build up your pool of gil. take steps toward it and eventually you'll have it.

but just because some players have already put in a large portion of the necessary work before relic was implemented, that doesn't mean the game should magically quantum leap you up to speed with them when you didn't. this system is mostly fair and rewards dedication, perseverance, a bit of luck, and skill.

i don't necessarily like the way they're using the materia system for this, as it's very imbalanced at the moment (and i'm completely certain RMT are making a killing off of honest players right now)- but relic aren't meant to be handouts. these aren't welfare weapons.

put in the time and you'll get one, just like anyone else. period.

[DarthTaru]

you're saying things you haven't yet experienced or beaten (AV/CC 17 min runs, DH 15min runs, relic faction leves, garuda) require no skill. alright, then. let's revisit this thread when you've got the experience to back up the claim.

but in the meantime, i don't understand the sense of entitlement so many players have about this. getting relic takes work. it takes DoH/DoL classes or a lot of farming, which equals work. it takes a fair sum of gil (even though i'm pretty poor and have never had more than 30m on me at any given time, yet i'm managing alright), which equals work. it takes grinding unfinished weapon spiritbond for hours, which equals work. and it requires completing several challenging steps to boot, which equals more work.

if you don't want to put in the work, or can't- fine. then relic isn't for you. but simply by virtue of it existing in the game, that doesn't mean you should automatically be entitled to it. relic was put here for the hardcores to put in a ton of work and get fast, and for everyone else to work toward as a long-term goal.

but whether hardcore or casual, expecting to get it overnight with just a few hours of time invested is downright silly. the game has items people can easily obtain with that amount of effort. and now it also has items people have to put exponentially more effort into in order to obtain.

if you still want relic, level your DoH and DoL or put in a lot of time farming. network. find people who can convert your mats into the weapons you'll need to meld. watch the auction house. make a concerted effort to build up your pool of gil. take steps toward it and eventually you'll have it.

but just because some players have already put in a large portion of the necessary work before relic was implemented, that doesn't mean the game should magically quantum leap you up to speed with them when you didn't. this system is mostly fair and rewards dedication, perseverance, a bit of luck, and skill.

i don't necessarily like the way they're using the materia system for this, as it's very imbalanced at the moment (and i'm completely certain RMT are making a killing off of honest players right now)- but relic aren't meant to be handouts. these aren't welfare weapons.

put in the time and you'll get one, just like anyone else. period.

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