The problem with Tripling Down on Shadowbringers Job Design

[rawker]

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A better idea is for Carbuncle to be a filler summon.. to pay respect to its ACN roots.

Then, using Ifrit as example, you call out the egi version of the primal, order it around like Carbuncle all while you amass aether. When you have the needed amount of aether, Enkindle lights up, ifrit egi dissipates, then ifrit shows up, does his signature move, and leaves. Then summoning egis go on cooldown and are forced to summon carbuncle.(filler summon). Do filler stuff with it rhen when summoning egis are available again, call whatever egi you like. Rinse and repeat.

Now how will Phoenix and Bahamut fit into this? They will not have egi forms but instead, you will have fit the requirements of its summoning while doing your normal rotations. To spice it up, the rituals change from time ro time... think of combining BRD songs and DNC steps. Doing the right ritutals will fill the gauge faster. Once full, Enkindle Bahamut and Enkindle Phoenix lights up and you are given the choice what to summon. Once any of them are out, Carbuncle or the other egs will withdraw and you are now ordering Bahamut and Phoenix, when their timer expires or ordered to, they will cast their signature spell then leave, like MCH

[Rekh]

A better idea is for Carbuncle to be a filler summon.. to pay respect to its ACN roots.

Then, using Ifrit as example, you call out the egi version of the primal, order it around like Carbuncle all while you amass aether. When you have the needed amount of aether, Enkindle lights up, ifrit egi dissipates, then ifrit shows up, does his signature move, and leaves. Then summoning egis go on cooldown and are forced to summon carbuncle.(filler summon). Do filler stuff with it rhen when summoning egis are available again, call whatever egi you like. Rinse and repeat.

Now how will Phoenix and Bahamut fit into this? They will not have egi forms but instead, you will have fit the requirements of its summoning while doing your normal rotations. To spice it up, the rituals change from time ro time... think of combining BRD songs and DNC steps. Doing the right ritutals will fill the gauge faster. Once full, Enkindle Bahamut and Enkindle Phoenix lights up and you are given the choice what to summon. Once any of them are out, Carbuncle or the other egs will withdraw and you are now ordering Bahamut and Phoenix, when their timer expires or ordered to, they will cast their signature spell then leave, like MCH

Great ideas overall, really like the core principles of carbuncle and the rituals for the demis. Something like this is 100 times better than ridiculous summoning of primals every minute. In a 40 minute alliance raid you literally summoned a primal around 30 time. I don't know what it is with square enix, but nuance and and not going to the extremes is a foreign concept to them from what I've seen. Our ciriticism of smn might just push them to removing all summons but bahamut if we're not careful. Their reasoning "you wanted less summoning per 2 minutes."