The problem with Tripling Down on Shadowbringers Job Design

[fulminating]

To be honest every job outside of summoner was at its peak in stormblood, every change after as been worse and worse to all the older jobs. Summoner in EW FINALLY became what it should have been in 2.0 a real summoner not a wow afflication warlock like it was.

I'm sorry but original ast in stormblood was about the coolest and funnest job to play, and if you were smart and knew when and how to use your cards you could basicly turn your team to gods. For example when arrow gave haste it was amazing on blms

Scholar peaked in heavensward and summoner they were getting really close to nailing between sb and shb. Smn is significantly less fun in ew and presumably dawntrail than it was prior to being remade in black mage’s image.

Blue mage still captures the traditional summoner fantasy more fully than (n)ewsmn as it has a flexible and broad suite of spells with varying impact and effects while not being built on the skeleton of a pet job. Prior to endwalker I did not know there was this unhappy union of pet job and black mage, and yet here we are.

[Graveyardprincess]

Scholar peaked in heavensward and summoner they were getting really close to nailing between sb and shb. Smn is significantly less fun in ew and presumably dawntrail than it was prior to being remade in black mage’s image.

Blue mage still captures the traditional summoner fantasy more fully than (n)ewsmn as it has a flexible and broad suite of spells with varying impact and effects while not being built on the skeleton of a pet job. Prior to endwalker I did not know there was this unhappy union of pet job and black mage, and yet here we are.

Ew is horrible in alot of ways but honestly it did Summoner a great service into turning it what it should have been all along, SUMMONER IN FF as always been a prime pet user not a wow fanboys warlock lol and honestly the summoner abilitys should be removed from blue mages and given to summoner. Summoner shouldn't even have ruin it should only have things related to summoning period

and the only reason im not playing it in dt, is the stupid devs just gave it another stupid bahamut and not levi,shiva,ramuh etc and if they wanted a 3rd set for them there was always alexander,anima,ark etc


and if im being honest the only reason we arent getting more pet reletaed stuff is yoshi p probely got owned in wow pvp by hunters and unholy dks, ice mages, demo warlocks and cried alot over it lol

in fact in 2.0 smn should have never been a part of acn job, it should have been a part of black mage/thaum if anything

[Rozeee]

The issue at hand was damage and raid design being designed around Warrior’s Holmgang(Bleeds in Abyssos every raidwide + TB) which is dominant in cheesing mechanics and Tankbusters especially when paired with Bloodwhetting.

Also, the reason people didn’t pick PLD for P4S/P8S revolves around its damage, I believe - trying to fit everything in 2m windows and during on/off phases where melee are forced to disengage for mechanics.

I’ll say it again, Abyssos broke the camel’s back due to the design of P8S in general since before rework it was considered really bad because it couldn’t do what all 3 other tanks did: Huge big d*ck burst damage on demand. PLD had sustained damage for that tier via DoTs and their general rotation between Goring/RA back then. Now? It’s bastardized Holy Warrior with a side of GNB Blasting Zone on top.

Sad to think that old PLD died because the devs mistuned a single fight. The one that they later nerfed and was completely fine for PLD on the later weeks. I really would rather have PLD unviable for week 1 than whatever we have right now.