Will there be SOLO queue for PVP in Dawntrail

[Valence]

How do I play with my casual friends

[Mawlzy]

How do I play with my casual friends

It would be a shame if that ability became a casualty of this.

[EvianYmir89]

My guess is you'll be fine for at least a year, but SE isn't going to indefinitely tolerate 4 people out of 24 flipping the expected win rate from 33% to 80%.

Let’s be honest, if the the devs actually gave a care about frontlines they wouldn’t use the cc sandbox for it. It took MONTHS to fix the paladin cheese from oovo and it we basically were told that 7.1 is when they will finally do adjustments for PvP. We will still be dealing with this after 7.1 since I highly doubt they look at these forums and understand how annoying the DRK bs is in conjunction with ast being overpowered, scholar dot going way to long, dnc and rpr lb stopping shields and the inability to purify them, etc.

[Mawlzy]

Let’s be honest, if the the devs actually gave a care about frontlines they wouldn’t use the cc sandbox for it. It took MONTHS to fix the paladin cheese from oovo and it we basically were told that 7.1 is when they will finally do adjustments for PvP. We will still be dealing with this after 7.1 since I highly doubt they look at these forums and understand how annoying the DRK bs is in conjunction with ast being overpowered, scholar dot going way to long, dnc and rpr lb stopping shields and the inability to purify them, etc.

That's fair, but equally it's completely counter to the SE philosophy to allow a mode to persist in which you'll lose 9/10 games just because you are facing a premade. I'm still amazed they went for a 3-way mode without figuring out a way of having two winning teams every match.

[Silhart]

That's fair, but equally it's completely counter to the SE philosophy to allow a mode to persist in which you'll lose 9/10 games just because you are facing a premade. I'm still amazed they went for a 3-way mode without figuring out a way of having two winning teams every match.

It depends on the specifics of the implementation, but without a massive change to how scoring works, I imagine most variations of a two-winner format would only end in 2nd and 1st place hard-focusing the team in 3rd in order to guarantee a zero-effort win. The leading team--especially if it has a premade--would be virtually uncontested since it would be easier for 3rd place to fight 2nd for a chance at winning.

[Mawlzy]

It depends on the specifics of the implementation, but without a massive change to how scoring works, I imagine most variations of a two-winner format would only end in 2nd and 1st place hard-focusing the team in 3rd in order to guarantee a zero-effort win. The leading team--especially if it has a premade--would be virtually uncontested since it would be easier for 3rd place to fight 2nd for a chance at winning.

Absolutely, I wasn't advocating for it, just surprised that SE introduced a mode in which expectation is to lose 2 out of 3.

[Teno]

Do you play FL on a premade-infested DC?

I spam solo FL for hours a day on one of the most "premade-infested" dc there is. It's perfectly fine as is, stop complaining about premades, you don't lose 90% of the games against one, or git gudder.

[Mawlzy]

I spam solo FL for hours a day on one of the most "premade-infested" dc there is. It's perfectly fine as is, stop complaining about premades, you don't lose 90% of the games against one, or git gudder.

I'll complain about whatever I want.

[EvianYmir89]

I spam solo FL for hours a day on one of the most "premade-infested" dc there is. It's perfectly fine as is, stop complaining about premades, you don't lose 90% of the games against one, or git gudder.

Curious why people being frustrated about something made you tell them to “get good”. I’m guessing you’re on a premade group in FL usually and from what I can also see you play on an EU by your character info. Seriously doubt the N.A. servers and EU servers are comparable PvP wise. Regardless people are allowed to be annoyed.

[Mawlzy]

Curious why people being frustrated about something made you tell them to “get good”. I’m guessing you’re on a premade group in FL usually and from what I can also see you play on an EU by your character info. Seriously doubt the N.A. servers and EU servers are comparable PvP wise. Regardless people are allowed to be annoyed.

Plus this isn't tensor calculus, it's simple arithmetic. Premades on NA consistently report a win-rate of 80%. That leaves 20% to be divided between the other two teams. Hence you figure to lose 9/10. The only way to avoid the conclusion is if premades are lying about their win-rate, and while as a culture they do seem to have difficulties telling the truth, on this issue I tend to believe them.