Will there be SOLO queue for PVP in Dawntrail

[saucyshortcake]

if you think all that many people are into frontlines besides getting a roulette done you're absolutely mental. back before they had the roulette existed they had to allow 8v8v8 games to pop because a lot of the time you didn't have anyone queueing it, let alone enough for a 72 player game. beyond pure prime time hours there weren't games going at all. the only one that ever spawned for most of stormblood was shatter, and the literal only reason it was popping with any regularity is because there was an extremely high-use bot that only had routing for shatter. in today's game you'd have to have everyone that wanted to play frontlines beyond a daily roulette on one data center at all times.

i've played plenty of games, sometimes i go for a stretch of them. you can queue 3-5 games in a row and tell me how many repeat players you see. it won't be a lot, and definitely not enough to pop games if they weren't giving a roulette bonus.

[Valence]

Queueing with friends who just happened to pick drk etc to destroy entire parties each lb and make match miserable for 2 opposing teams.

No ty, give people SOLO queue, even if it will be longer.

You're assuming a lot, especially when it comes to groups that don't even field DRK or any meta jobs. I don't think I remember an actual day I queued with friends where we went for anything remotely close. But I guess we can continue putting all the groups into the same bag for the sake of convenience.

Your solo queue won't be longer if it's the default queue anyway. It's the multiplayer queue that's gonna be dead, essentially prompting everybody to play solo unless they want to queue sync in their corner.

[Teno]

Curious why people being frustrated about something made you tell them to “get good”. I’m guessing you’re on a premade group in FL usually and from what I can also see you play on an EU by your character info. Seriously doubt the N.A. servers and EU servers are comparable PvP wise. Regardless people are allowed to be annoyed.

Take a good second read of the word solo. Most people being frustrated are either impatient or just not good at the game, and case in point they have barely put in the time to get good. Complain all you want, but if you have spent 20 hours in the mode, you have experienced peanuts. I can see the good players, sometimes they get grumpy for a game or two, but that's the extent of it.

[Teno]

let's try not to misunderstand each other. Look, I run with friends sometimes too, so it's cool if you want to queue up with your pals. But it's important that matches are fair, I think if you are in a group and you should fight with another group with similar skill level. so things are balanced out. And, I'm not against any "broken combos" either. With a bit of map smarts and good judgment, we can handle whatever comes our way



You are right! This MMORPG is mostly for casual players. If I wanted serious PvP action, I'd jump into Dota or CS go something like that.

But you know what? FL PvP could be awesome. There's a lot of good stuff happening, and it's usually a blast whether you're solo or with a group (at least for me). I'm just saying, let's give solo players a fair option and see how it pans out. It's weird how some people get so worked up and think I'm against group play. Not true at all.

The solo option already is fair. FL already is good. Premades' odds are stacked in their favor, but gitting gud goes a long way in fighting them. And you can do it casually, no need to try hard or make it competitive, it's just pvp in an mmo and it's never been serious anyway.

And sometimes it's not even premades, just good players being put together because of rng.

[Teno]

i play plenty of pvp. most players don't care about pvp in any form. it's a niche category in its entirety. very few dedicated pvp players aren't going to bother with frontline because it's an outdated poorly designed mode compared to CC. you can see where the development time is going. if you still care about frontlines in 2024 you're just a pub stomper avoiding the only relevant pvp grounds, because large-scale combat in this game is bad and it isn't meant for it.

Of course, you can see it in the very active ranked CC queue. Oh wait...

Even a mode requiring so few players is barely played. And it's not even a matter of roulette.

Talk about a terrible take. Also most FL players are repeat players actually.

[Valence]

let's try not to misunderstand each other. Look, I run with friends sometimes too, so it's cool if you want to queue up with your pals. But it's important that matches are fair, I think if you are in a group and you should fight with another group with similar skill level. so things are balanced out. And, I'm not against any "broken combos" either. With a bit of map smarts and good judgment, we can handle whatever comes our way.

I still do believe the fundamental problem emerges from uses of a system that is primarily not designed for the mode but for CC, and that if one wants to address the problem, it's by taking a long hard look at said problem instead of just axing any multiplayer options whatsoever.

[saucyshortcake]

Of course, you can see it in the very active ranked CC queue. Oh wait...

Even a mode requiring so few players is barely played. And it's not even a matter of roulette.

Talk about a terrible take. Also most FL players are repeat players actually.

you're comparing unranked frontlines to ranked cc queues. apples to oranges.

and you call my take bad, lol.

if there was such a thing as ranked frontlines, it wouldn't pop either. and sure. most FL players are repeat players. they repeat it once a day for the roulette.

[Atreus]

The logic behind splitting the queue seems plausible, but without data, we can't judge if it's a bad idea. We just don't know.

The data is that SE takes forever to make changes. Multiple patch cycles or entire expansions go by before changes of significance happen. Astrogalos is still gone. Secure is still gone. FL has been suffering from similarly-themed issues since Stormblood. If you get your wish of a "trial" period, then we'll be stuck in it for a damaging amount of time.

But let's be real, anyone advocating for these separate queues knows fully that even if solo continues to pop, premade ones will only pop when the community forces it to. It's short-sighted and selfish.

[Stasya]

You're assuming a lot, especially when it comes to groups that don't even field DRK or any meta jobs. I don't think I remember an actual day I queued with friends where we went for anything remotely close. But I guess we can continue putting all the groups into the same bag for the sake of convenience.

Your solo queue won't be longer if it's the default queue anyway. It's the multiplayer queue that's gonna be dead, essentially prompting everybody to play solo unless they want to queue sync in their corner.

So be it, you want to stomp people? Go wait in queue (oops and face same stack people ) If you think groups vs groups is a bad idea try to play good mm games like dota vs coordinated party .....

[Valence]

I'm sorry but what does this even have to do with dota? That comparison holds zero water.

I also don't queue up in meta premades. I actually have never tried so far.