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    Companies are unable to enforce copyright for AI generated art. If the source of art in a game cannot be directly attributed to an artist or developer, anyone can utilize such AI generated art. Not going to happen any time soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taliriah View Post
    AI have "tragedy of the commons" written all over it. Here's a number of things that can and will happen medium to long term:

    - people gradually stopping to study art, because it will become impossible to find jobs
    - AI regurgitating the same stuff over and over, because of a lack of new material produced by actual human artists to train the AIs from (they're regurgitating engines and incapable of true creation because they don't have any actual "understanding" of human culture). Expect a great stagnation in the themes and art styles of games (and other things) in the medium to long term as everyone turns to AI to crank up "new" concepts that will constantly recycle the same crap.
    - Oh and another fun thing, AIs will become increasingly trained on crap that was produced by other AIs, resulting in gradual degradation of the results as they will reproduce and amplify the mistakes made by the previous AIs.

    And yet people will rush to use it for easy short term gains like "getting more armors in the final fantasy 14 video game" or "not having to pay employees that have ludicrous demands like not working 24/7 or eating".
    AI is technology like any other. It can be disruptive in some respects, but unless we decide to never move forward technologically again we need to learn to live with it and avoid the potential problems. People won't stop studying art because art can still be performed for the sake of it, or because AI won't fully replace artists. AI also has no motivation like you said so somewhere in the process of AI generation a person must be involved. With AI to do repetitive work we can have more people to focus on creativity. If AI generation statnates due to a lack of trainable material, that also leaves opportunity for human artists to create.

    The solution to the pitfalls of AI isn't to avoid AI, it's to integrate it correctly into the processes we have now. Being totally against AI is just going to lead to stagnation and worse products, just like banning computers in favor of work done by hand or banning cars to force reliance on horses.
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    I would be fine with them using AI to generate concept art.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainLagbeard View Post
    I would be fine with them using AI to generate concept art.
    Ai trained on which artist's works? Are those artists being paid?

    It can be supportive. I know at least one MMORPG-in-the-making that utilizes AI to some minor extent. The caveat is that all images the AI trains on are generated in-house by artists whose time and effort is bought and paid for specifically to train the AI.

    The AI art is also "directed" by the developers/artists, therefore copyrightable. It is not done via the current AI-driven websites typing "male catboy wearing chain mail armor bikini".
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    It's all in how and where it's used. If it's used to port large amounts of assets to another race or to re-mege existing gear with more polygons I'm all for using AI. If it's for designing from scratch that's where I say no; unless it's for giving artists/designers ideas.
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    It's always cheaper to use the fruits of someone else's labor without paying them. In that sense, AI is a great idea!
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    Quote Originally Posted by LilimoLimomo View Post
    It's always cheaper to use the fruits of someone else's labor without paying them. In that sense, AI is a great idea!
    I would agree but AI's not a human. The problem with AI replacing human jobs is a problem with the type of government you agree to live under, or forced to live under.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DPZ2 View Post
    Ai trained on which artist's works? Are those artists being paid?

    It can be supportive. I know at least one MMORPG-in-the-making that utilizes AI to some minor extent. The caveat is that all images the AI trains on are generated in-house by artists whose time and effort is bought and paid for specifically to train the AI.

    The AI art is also "directed" by the developers/artists, therefore copyrightable. It is not done via the current AI-driven websites typing "male catboy wearing chain mail armor bikini".
    If they do decide to go the way of AI, it would most definitely make the most sense for them to get their own in house AI trained off of their own artists work.

    And as I said, use it for concept art, still would need people to actually turn it into actual ingame content and what not.
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    The fact that you even feel comfortable posting this is disgusting.

    The art theft machine needs to go back into the trash where it belongs.
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    would much rather have a handful of hand-crafted models that get recolors every few months than a bottomless swamp of soulless sludge.
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    Last edited by Panic_at_the_Discord; 05-21-2024 at 07:47 AM.

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