What Do We Want to See? - AST

[RhiaCeallach]

I mean this in the nicest way possible, you don't know how double shield healers work. If there is an event were they need to spam their GCD heals to deal with massive healing, they're healing wrong or the party is doing something wrong. SCH has Soil for mitigation + regen, Whispering Dawn, Fey Illumination which increases healing by 10% and reduces magical damage by 5, Indom, Fey Blessing, Summon Seraph for Consolation, Expedient for another ability to reduce damage by 10%, and Critlo to place a beefy shield on the party. SGE also has a good chunk of these tools plus Panhaima.

They aren't going to struggle for healing.

In a hypothetical where Neutral Sect doesn't exist (or even if it did) you aren't going to see Noct AST spam A. Helios. Currently that's a REGEN. If there is a need for spam healing that would be HELIOS which I addressed. Further, AST has Macrososmos to consolidate heal, Earthly Star, Collective Unconciousness for mit + regen, Lady of Crowns if they draw it, Horoscope, and Celestial Opposition. A Noct AST will still have all of those tools as Nocturnal Collective is pretty much the same in the end as Diurnal and Celestial Opposition stacks.

Nocturnal Sect is NOT an issue. Especially in high level play where I would be coordinating with my healer and even more so if the suggestion of making it stance dance actually gets implemented. I don't see why other healers would want it, other than SCH with Selene which, I'm all for.

Also A. Helios excluding the Regen which you will be overwriting every time you spam it is 250p. Helios' potency is 400. You will be spamming Helios and it would be better than to spam A. Helios.

If you don't want Nocturnal Sect to return because you don't like it that's fine, but please stop spreading misinformation it would be a hassle to cohealers. It was fine in Shb. It was fine in SB (if weak). It would have been fine in EW or DT and would be fine in 8.0

i) Ari has done almost an entire tier with scholar/ sage, you don't even have sage unlocked according to your profile and your scholar is still level 80. Unless you have an alt set as your main you have obviously not done any savage or ultimate with a double shield healer so I'm not sure why you felt the need to say "you don't know how they work" . The super awesome cooldowns you list have assigned spots they're used, so for some weird reason you can't use pneuma or spreadlo on the go if people go full headless chicken mode while they're still on cooldown. White mage can use cure 3, astro has helio and sage/ scholar have a single use of their ability that turns the shields into direct heals after which point you just spam your shield. If we're talking about recovery mode because people failed mechanics and you can't burn one of your pre-assigned cooldowns to save the run, white/ astro are just superior at that.

ii) Again, you list off cooldowns but not only are they already assigned, unless you're only pfing fights, but literally the only thing that nocturnal astro would have that the current astro does not is a small shield on opposition which has a 60s cooldown and a regen on intersection. What's the point of getting sects back if that's the only difference? Just ask them to bake those into neutral sect and you'd have what you want more or less.

iii) Your stance dance suggestion conveniently gives the good(damage buff) cards to nocturnal and the ones that no one would want to use(random buffs) to diurnal so the only thing it would accomplish for astros healing with a shield healer, would be them having to swap to nocturnal every minute so they can get the cards they actually care about. Astro already has way more than enough free heals and damage reduction, so you cannot possibly tell me anyone would choose to get the free heal/ free dr, especially when you also get a lady card once a minute with the new cards.

[ASkellington]

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The fact I am arguing is that can SGE+SCH clear? If the answer is yes, than so can Noct AST+ either one. And yes, they can. That's the whole point: arguing that Noct shouldn't come back simply because it would be harder to heal with in high tier content is a poor one to me. That's all this back and forth is. No more, no less.

As far as the stance dancing goes its to give an extra incentive to go into Nocturnal instead of camping Diurnal as well as address the issue of utility vs damage cards being in the same pool that everyone gets hung up on. The offensive cards can be in Diurnal for all I care, I figured the offensive ones would be better in Nocturnal to reward the ASTs who are proactive with their healing and the defensive ones in Diurnal to aid if they need to triage.

It doesn't matter to me either way.

I already addressed in another post that I'd like more actions added to Nocturnal to make the stance dancing worth it. Its not JUST to get back just CI and CO (CU also changed under it btw as redundant as it was). Its to add more interkit play and give AST another option to distance itself from WHM/SCH.

I asked for this back in Shb and with the supposed class overhaul of 8.0 I'm asking again what I'd like to see - which is Nocturnal come back with stance dancing in combat because the idea of a stance dancing healer appeals to me.