My Problem with FF14

[Miguel85NYC]

My problem with the current FF 14 is that you are FORCE to do the MSQ to level there is nothing else to do til you unlock your first dungeon through hours of reading..

Now with Dungeons, They suck.... Yes they are pretty to look at but once you get done doing it once theres no need to go back. and its the same cycle, 2 packs, Wall, 2 packs, Boss Etc.... Can we change it up a bit??? Why arent we allow pull more than 2 packs of mobs?? I like to pull as many as I WANT, not what the game tells me.. Theres so much hand holding in this game now. its crazy

last, FF14 doesnt feel like a MMO anymore.. it feels like a Social hub.

[Musashidon]

oh the walls happened because players would harrass other players into pulling everything to the boss.

most changes happened because someone said do it or you suck and we kick you from DF.

[Kes13a]

Now with Dungeons, They suck.... Yes they are pretty to look at but once you get done doing it once theres no need to go back. and its the same cycle, 2 packs, Wall, 2 packs, Boss Etc.... Can we change it up a bit??? Why arent we allow pull more than 2 packs of mobs?? I like to pull as many as I WANT, not what the game tells me.. Theres so much hand holding in this game now. its crazy

this is why its the way it is. usually you have a healer along for the ride of various skill and ability, and usually pulling everything to the wall allows them the chance to keep you alive back when dungeons were a bit less forgiving. Bardam's Mettle was a good example, especially if the tank didnt do much mitigation

[Jeeqbit]

My problem with the current FF 14 is that you are FORCE to do the MSQ to level there is nothing else to do til you unlock your first dungeon through hours of reading..

Well it is a story-driven game, like all FF games.

Why arent we allow pull more than 2 packs of mobs??

We used to be able to pull right to the next boss. Think 4-8 packs. It would give tanks anxiety "uhm should I stop? is this too much?" It still kinda does in dungeons like Amdapor Keep, Wanderer's Palace, Pharos Sirius, Copperbell Mines, Haukke Manor, The Lost City of Amdapor, Halatali, Brayflox, Hullbreaker Isle and Stone Vigil, which are from the pre-walls era.

It made tanks feel like they had to pull that much, but they simoultaneously could not handle it (especially with how the game worked back then), so you'd see a tank just hop in, pull everything, wipe, then leave in shame or blamed the healer when in reality they just couldn't survive that much.

So SE did the right thing and added some walls. You are still able to make the dungeon more challenging by pulling more, they just provide an upper limit. Sometimes this is actually more than 2 packs, but usually it's 2.

last, FF14 doesnt feel like a MMO anymore.. it feels like a Social hub.

That is going to depend what you define an MMO as then. I view MMOs as huge social hubs. If I wanted a quick way to interact with hundreds of people constantly in a way that I otherwise couldn't just sitting bored on a sofa, I'd play an MMO.

[Eastwall]

Well it is a story-driven game, like all FF games.
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This an online game man. They got to have flexibility. It is ok of they focus on story, But forcing It on me just makes it a boring chore. I will always consider it a major negative aspect of this game. Guild wars 2 doesn't force you to do the story, and l was able to do stuff in that game without doing any story for a year. That is one of the factor That kept me playing gw2.

[Equitable_Remedy]

This an online game man. They got to have flexibility. It is ok of they focus on story, But forcing It on me just makes it a boring chore. I will always consider it a major negative aspect of this game. Guild wars 2 doesn't force you to do the story, and l was able to do stuff in that game without doing any story for a year. That is one of the factor That kept me playing gw2.

It might make sense to just play a different game that you like more.

[LaylaTsarra]

My problem with the current FF 14 is that you are FORCE to do the MSQ to level there is nothing else to do til you unlock your first dungeon through hours of reading..

Now with Dungeons, They suck.... Yes they are pretty to look at but once you get done doing it once theres no need to go back. and its the same cycle, 2 packs, Wall, 2 packs, Boss Etc.... Can we change it up a bit??? Why arent we allow pull more than 2 packs of mobs?? I like to pull as many as I WANT, not what the game tells me.. Theres so much hand holding in this game now. its crazy

last, FF14 doesnt feel like a MMO anymore.. it feels like a Social hub.

Yeah should be able to pull everything all the bosses included. Don't worry the tank can do it all don't even need a healer.

[AnnRam]

Social anxiety issues.
-This dungeon gives me anxiety
-Tanking gives me anxiety
-dpsing/ healing gives me anxiety.
-gearing up gives anxiety
-Exploring gives anxiety
Etc

[Mikey_R]

In regards to walls, there was also sac pulling, ie. pull everything to the boss, with the healers and DPS doing nothing (so that they don't register on the enemies aggro list), letting the tank die, all mobs leave, revive the tank and continue on. There is also the less severe one of pulling to the boss and keeping the mobs by the door and pulling the boss. Once the barrier went up, it would lock enemies out whilst keeping you inside, again, skipping them all.

As for dungeon design in general, there are a few things they can do to spice it up. Add environmental hazards, going from memory, I don't think we've seen them since SB? Add mobs that need to be stunned/interrupted so that you need to pay attention. Maybe add field effects that enhances enemies/debuffs your party etc. Just that little extra could make a big difference in how dungeons feel.

[Eastwall]

It might make sense to just play a different game that you like more.

I can't find lalafell in another game.