My Problem with FF14

[Miguel85NYC]

My problem with the current FF 14 is that you are FORCE to do the MSQ to level there is nothing else to do til you unlock your first dungeon through hours of reading..

Now with Dungeons, They suck.... Yes they are pretty to look at but once you get done doing it once theres no need to go back. and its the same cycle, 2 packs, Wall, 2 packs, Boss Etc.... Can we change it up a bit??? Why arent we allow pull more than 2 packs of mobs?? I like to pull as many as I WANT, not what the game tells me.. Theres so much hand holding in this game now. its crazy

last, FF14 doesnt feel like a MMO anymore.. it feels like a Social hub.

[Musashidon]

oh the walls happened because players would harrass other players into pulling everything to the boss.

most changes happened because someone said do it or you suck and we kick you from DF.

[Rolder50]

oh the walls happened because players would harrass other players into pulling everything to the boss.

most changes happened because someone said do it or you suck and we kick you from DF.

The more logical way to handle this situation would be to make it challenging enough such that chain pulling is not possible because you will die. Then it'd be up to the group's skill for how many groups you can pull at once.

[TaleraRistain]

The more logical way to handle this situation would be to make it challenging enough such that chain pulling is not possible because you will die. Then it'd be up to the group's skill for how many groups you can pull at once.

It wasn't possible a lot of the time and the party did die and the tanks would just keep trying to do it anyway. The walls are necessary to keep a lot of tanks from trying to pull more than they have any business pulling.

[SieyaM]

The more logical way to handle this situation would be to make it challenging enough such that chain pulling is not possible because you will die. Then it'd be up to the group's skill for how many groups you can pull at once.

Groups would die. Then they would kick the tank or the healer, whichever one they blamed at that moment, and wait for the next one.

[Rekh]

Groups would die. Then they would kick the tank or the healer, whichever one they blamed at that moment, and wait for the next one.

This is not what happened in ARR/HW. What actually happened was communication and education of the pve mechanics. As well as educating the failing person on specific job skills and how they're critical for advancing in said content.

Labyrinth of ancients and Dun scaith still retain some of that, I'm sure you've seen it.

[SieyaM]

This is not what happened in ARR/HW. What actually happened was communication and education of the pve mechanics. As well as educating the failing person on specific job skills and how they're critical for advancing in said content.

Labyrinth of ancients and Dun scaith still retain some of that, I'm sure you've seen it.

I've seen people try to vote dismiss when people try to greed too hard and the alliance dies to ancient flare. I also see people immediately try to vote abandon on Arum vale when the tank eats it in the first room because you can't pull that entire room and survive.

[Fawkes]

The more logical way to handle this situation would be to make it challenging enough such that chain pulling is not possible because you will die. Then it'd be up to the group's skill for how many groups you can pull at once.

At one point a commonly accepted strat for AK was for the tank to pull everything into the first boss room and everyone else not engage and then the tank would die and all the mobs would leave and you'd raise the tank.

[Kes13a]

Now with Dungeons, They suck.... Yes they are pretty to look at but once you get done doing it once theres no need to go back. and its the same cycle, 2 packs, Wall, 2 packs, Boss Etc.... Can we change it up a bit??? Why arent we allow pull more than 2 packs of mobs?? I like to pull as many as I WANT, not what the game tells me.. Theres so much hand holding in this game now. its crazy

this is why its the way it is. usually you have a healer along for the ride of various skill and ability, and usually pulling everything to the wall allows them the chance to keep you alive back when dungeons were a bit less forgiving. Bardam's Mettle was a good example, especially if the tank didnt do much mitigation

[Jeeqbit]

My problem with the current FF 14 is that you are FORCE to do the MSQ to level there is nothing else to do til you unlock your first dungeon through hours of reading..

Well it is a story-driven game, like all FF games.

Why arent we allow pull more than 2 packs of mobs??

We used to be able to pull right to the next boss. Think 4-8 packs. It would give tanks anxiety "uhm should I stop? is this too much?" It still kinda does in dungeons like Amdapor Keep, Wanderer's Palace, Pharos Sirius, Copperbell Mines, Haukke Manor, The Lost City of Amdapor, Halatali, Brayflox, Hullbreaker Isle and Stone Vigil, which are from the pre-walls era.

It made tanks feel like they had to pull that much, but they simoultaneously could not handle it (especially with how the game worked back then), so you'd see a tank just hop in, pull everything, wipe, then leave in shame or blamed the healer when in reality they just couldn't survive that much.

So SE did the right thing and added some walls. You are still able to make the dungeon more challenging by pulling more, they just provide an upper limit. Sometimes this is actually more than 2 packs, but usually it's 2.

last, FF14 doesnt feel like a MMO anymore.. it feels like a Social hub.

That is going to depend what you define an MMO as then. I view MMOs as huge social hubs. If I wanted a quick way to interact with hundreds of people constantly in a way that I otherwise couldn't just sitting bored on a sofa, I'd play an MMO.