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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeeqbit View Post
    Well it is a story-driven game, like all FF games.
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    This an online game man. They got to have flexibility. It is ok of they focus on story, But forcing It on me just makes it a boring chore. I will always consider it a major negative aspect of this game. Guild wars 2 doesn't force you to do the story, and l was able to do stuff in that game without doing any story for a year. That is one of the factor That kept me playing gw2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eastwall View Post
    This an online game man. They got to have flexibility. It is ok of they focus on story, But forcing It on me just makes it a boring chore. I will always consider it a major negative aspect of this game. Guild wars 2 doesn't force you to do the story, and l was able to do stuff in that game without doing any story for a year. That is one of the factor That kept me playing gw2.
    It might make sense to just play a different game that you like more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Equitable_Remedy View Post
    It might make sense to just play a different game that you like more.
    I can't find lalafell in another game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eastwall View Post
    I can't find lalafell in another game.
    You could try Tera...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eastwall View Post
    I can't find lalafell in another game.
    Gnomes are just skinny lalas. Don't @ me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eastwall View Post
    I can't find lalafell in another game.
    trying to determine if thats a mark in the plus or minus column....
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    FF 11 is a story driven game too but it doesnt force you to do the MSQ for hours to actually do some content... You can do a lot outside of the MSQ in FF 11.. in FF 14 you stuck only doing the MSQ
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miguel85NYC View Post
    FF 11 is a story driven game too but it doesnt force you to do the MSQ for hours to actually do some content... You can do a lot outside of the MSQ in FF 11.. in FF 14 you stuck only doing the MSQ
    It made you wait hours and sometimes days to do content outside of exp grind though; it just didn't force you to read.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeeqbit View Post
    Well it is a story-driven game, like all FF games.
    We used to be able to pull right to the next boss. Think 4-8 packs. It would give tanks anxiety "uhm should I stop? is this too much?" It still kinda does in dungeons like Amdapor Keep, Wanderer's Palace, Pharos Sirius, Copperbell Mines, Haukke Manor, The Lost City of Amdapor, Halatali, Brayflox, Hullbreaker Isle and Stone Vigil, which are from the pre-walls era.

    It made tanks feel like they had to pull that much, but they simultaneously could not handle it (especially with how the game worked back then), so you'd see a tank just hop in, pull everything, wipe, then leave in shame or blamed the healer when in reality they just couldn't survive that much.

    So SE did the right thing and added some walls. You are still able to make the dungeon more challenging by pulling more, they just provide an upper limit. Sometimes this is actually more than 2 packs, but usually it's 2.
    That is going to depend what you define an MMO as then. I view MMOs as huge social hubs. If I wanted a quick way to interact with hundreds of people constantly in a way that I otherwise couldn't just sitting bored on a sofa, I'd play an MMO.
    This is a very insightful post, Jeeqbit.

    I never sat back and thought about why the walls were there. Now, it all makes sense.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kes13a View Post
    trying to determine if that's a mark in the plus or minus column....
    Minus column. All MMOs should have lalafell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miguel85NYC View Post
    My problem with the current FF 14 is that you are FORCE to do the MSQ to level there is nothing else to do til you unlock your first dungeon through hours of reading..

    Now with Dungeons, They suck.... Yes they are pretty to look at but once you get done doing it once theres no need to go back. and its the same cycle, 2 packs, Wall, 2 packs, Boss Etc.... Can we change it up a bit??? Why arent we allow pull more than 2 packs of mobs?? I like to pull as many as I WANT, not what the game tells me.. Theres so much hand holding in this game now. its crazy

    last, FF14 doesnt feel like a MMO anymore.. it feels like a Social hub.
    Yeah should be able to pull everything all the bosses included. Don't worry the tank can do it all don't even need a healer.
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