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    Quote Originally Posted by Wilford111 View Post
    I 100% agree with OP. Screw the haters, AST is in a horrible state atm. Or did everyone just magically forget all the complaints it had at EW launch?
    According to this logic, Complaints = "yeah lets rework it into sparkly white mage"

    People should be able to expressed their "dislike" to the rework constructive criticism is good
    No people who played astro for the most part didn't like Astrodyne or minor arcana, I don't really recall astro mains asking for RNG to be fully removed and it's higher burst APM to be slown down.

    If some people don't like RNG, then they could have played... i don't know one of the other 3 healers that were designed without that in mind.
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    Last edited by Rithy255; 05-19-2024 at 02:26 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rithy255 View Post
    According to this logic, Complaints = "yeah lets rework it into sparkly white mage"

    People should be able to expressed their "dislike" to the rework constructive criticism is good
    No people who played astro for the most part didn't like Astrodyne or minor arcana, I don't really recall astro mains asking for RNG to be fully removed and it's higher burst APM to be slown down.

    If some people don't like RNG, then they could have played... i don't know one of the other 3 healers that were designed without that in mind.
    Yeah idk the point where 'hey why does AST have a personal DPS buff' and 'minor arcana felt unsatisfying' and 'hey this burst is way too busy and forces our mobility tool to be used just to function' became 'yeah yknow what fuck it just make the class into white mage with a worse designed aetherflow' and suddenly we're all expected to be excited. Stormblood ASTs wanted more interesting cards not 'a glorified extra charge of ED/CI but we called it cards'. ShB/EW ASTs wanted cards to matter less about stacking up some random personal buff and more focused on the actual varied and reactive party buffer gameplay, not... whatever this is.
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    I gave AST a shot, and it's still miserable to play, even to think about. Worst iteration by far. Praying for 8.0, I guess...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kissune View Post
    Yeah idk the point where 'hey why does AST have a personal DPS buff' and 'minor arcana felt unsatisfying' and 'hey this burst is way too busy and forces our mobility tool to be used just to function' became 'yeah yknow what fuck it just make the class into white mage with a worse designed aetherflow' and suddenly we're all expected to be excited. Stormblood ASTs wanted more interesting cards not 'a glorified extra charge of ED/CI but we called it cards'. ShB/EW ASTs wanted cards to matter less about stacking up some random personal buff and more focused on the actual varied and reactive party buffer gameplay, not... whatever this is.
    I could have honestly lived with the rework if it kept the "active buff" feeling to it, but one damage buff card per minute is so... underwhelming theirs not even going to be any variance on who it goes on (i think).

    Like wow cool cards that don't damage buff? oh they're just healing... and mitigation cards... wait don't we have enough healing and mitigation...? lol how is this interesting or unique??? I actually rather we just got two/three set damage buff cards then this or something.

    I guess worse Aetherflow is now what astro is going to be about... wonder if they will bother to change up existing healing/mits or just keep them as it is, I mean in one hand if they keep it as it is then why would we need anymore healing like i said... or on the other hand why remove something to put it on a card lol.

    I mean aside from that are they actually ever going to address healer complaints? If healing was more fun maybe I'd be less annoyed about these changes, but we pretty much know we're in store for the same boring gameplay we've been getting for years now.
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    The new AST looks great.
    Now I get to play a hand of cards instead fiddling with only one at a time.
    And all the cards in my hand will have different functions!
    And I'll also be playing more cards per minute.

    More cards, more functions, more than one per hand, and no more dealing with the scam that was astrodyne.
    Sounds good to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LotusDye View Post
    The new AST looks great.
    Now I get to play a hand of cards instead fiddling with only one at a time.
    And all the cards in my hand will have different functions!
    And I'll also be playing more cards per minute.

    More cards, more functions, more than one per hand, and no more dealing with the scam that was astrodyne.
    Sounds good to me.
    Are you really playing more cards when there is no difference between a healing “card” and a normal healing CD
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    Are you really playing more cards when there is no difference between a healing “card” and a normal healing CD
    It's like people can't tell that they're generic CD's yet because they are labelled as cards.

    Maybe the rework can actually fool some people I guess, maybe given time people might actually catch on to the card system now just being a weird clunky Aetherflow esc system who knows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    Are you really playing more cards when there is no difference between a healing “card” and a normal healing CD
    For the fact you are playing cards, yes, you are playing cards.

    For what are you upset? Many of your heals do, in fact, heal. Now you have more ways to heal. Why do you want less ways to heal?
    Can you convince me the new AST does not have more tools to use than before? As yet, I maintain my position, and champion AST moving toward more cards and more tools.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LotusDye View Post
    For the fact you are playing cards, yes, you are playing cards.

    For what are you upset? Many of your heals do, in fact, heal. Now you have more ways to heal. Why do you want less ways to heal?
    Can you convince me the new AST does not have more tools to use than before? As yet, I maintain my position, and champion AST moving toward more cards and more tools.
    This don’t want tools to heal because I don’t already use 60% of the heals I currently use

    If you are using 100% of AST’s heals at all times either you or the tank is doing something seriously wrong because all the healers are bloated with way too much healing
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    This don’t want tools to heal because I don’t already use 60% of the heals I currently use

    If you are using 100% of AST’s heals at all times either you or the tank is doing something seriously wrong because all the healers are bloated with way too much healing
    Your description is not a problem of the job.
    Yours is a problem with the game.
    If the game doesn't provide you with reasons to use your kit, that's not the kit's fault.
    If the game proves to you a greater challenge, then your grievances vanish in a flash.
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    It's an effective strat imho: market them as 'new card system'. But in the practice they boil down to 'lol more mit/heals that I'm/my party already drowning in'.

    I mean, I could be wrong when the actual tooltip comes out (I really hope so). But considering their track record with the role, that's very unlikely to happen lol.
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