Are we going to keep pretending that PC and console players are the same?

[Turtledeluxe]

That depends.

PC and console players are the same.

Cheaters and modders are, unfortunately, not the same as PC and console players.

I hope this helps you.

I should've actually read the full post I guess because the title of the thread doesn't really match what you are asking imo. You are asking if the devs will implement an anti cheat feature. The answer to that is: no.

[PercibelTheren]

Denuvo has been shown to reduce performance in pretty much every capcom title it is put in. Where as something that you say is somehow more intensive is implemented in every competitive shooter and online game without those same performance hits. When the analogy goes right over the person's head �. I guess the forums don't like emojis so ill just say Woooshhh as the text version of what the emoji was.

Battleye isn't going to catch everything but Rainbow Six uses it to at least some degree with some of the ban waves due to having it in their game. Also that game runs just fine with using BE. We understand that you want your cheats but next time use logic when you want to argue a point.

I never said anticheat was more of a performance hit than Denuvo. I said it tanks performance, which it does, especially on weaker machines. I just took issue with you comparing the two because it's apples to oranges. Anticheat works very differently from what people theorise Denuvo does, too. I also pointed out that anticheat software is invasive and you seem not to have any comebacks to that.

Battleye is a big part of the reason I refuse to play on official Ark servers. It crashes people's games, randomly kicks them, I've had it give me a BSoD, too.

I do find it funny that the moment someone disagrees with you, you accuse them of cheating. I have never installed a single plugin and I don't plan on it. This is largely an issue of principle and privacy for me. Would not wanting a cop looking over my shoulder automatically mean I must be doing something illegal? If you're going to get snarky, at least have something to say that isn't putting words in my mouth and accusing me of cheating.

[Taliriah]

And what do they do when the cheats are programmed to execute on kernel level?

The same thing that the kernel anticheat people do when cheaters modify the kernel anticheat module, or even sandbox the entire kernel: either find a way to detect the cheat on the server side or live with the cheat.

It is simply impossible to make a perfect client side anticheat because computer security doctrine says that physical access to a machine = you have full control of it and can defer that authority to an anti-virus, for instance.

As a matter of fact there is little difference between a kernel based anticheat, or a kernel based drm solution, and malware. As soon as you want to run software with extra privilege on a user's PC you're in malware territory.

As a programmer working for a video game company, I have this to say: video game companies have zero business running code in kernel space.

[Larirawiel]

Console players have pressure to stay more casual just because they can't use the same "enhancements" that PC players can and it is tired and sad at this point. Why even come out with the xbox version if you are going to second class citizen them out of the gate?

You could become a PC player. Problem solved.





Cheers

[Mr_Gyactus]

Grouping for Ults, hop into discord and get cactbot blasting through the channel. God forbid you get asked if you are on console as well because some people find that to be a very large detriment to one's ability.

Queuing for pvp in CC and once you reach one of the top tiers of ranked you start...."noticing" things that just seem a bit odd and too fast to happen by normal people.

It really is time (and has been for years) to put a valid anti cheat in the game to stop players from making content far too easy and/or cheating to get one up on other players in pvp.

Console players have pressure to stay more casual just because they can't use the same "enhancements" that PC players can and it is tired and sad at this point. Why even come out with the xbox version if you are going to second class citizen them out of the gate?

We have a lot of "gimme anticheat" lately, huh?

No, we don't need a backdoor.
No, there is not a valid anticheat, as already explained in previous threads.

The same thing that the kernel anticheat people do when cheaters modify the kernel anticheat module, or even sandbox the entire kernel: either find a way to detect the cheat on the server side or live with the cheat.

It is simply impossible to make a perfect client side anticheat because computer security doctrine says that physical access to a machine = you have full control of it and can defer that authority to an anti-virus, for instance.

We already tried to make a server side anticheat, you ban a wave or 2, then they adjust how the packets are sent. A lot of overload server side, slow down the response (the user feel like the game is worsened) and nothing back.

[hunter2]

Anticheats generally don't work, even the horribly invasive ones. I'd much prefer any dev time that's available on this matter to go to productive things like
- Designing ultimate mechanics that don't encourage the use of Automarkers
- Copying popular QoL plugins into vanilla functionality (they already do this, but there's lots of space for more)
- In game ways of measuring and improving your personal performance without having to use ACT & FFLogs
- Adding chat bubbles
All of these will benefit console/vanilla players without having to fight an unending pyrrhic war against 3rd-party tooling and installing invasive anticheat bloatware on my PC.

[LianaThorne]

As I've said before, you can go on YouTube and search how to bypass anticheat and be taught in under 10 minutes.

It's not gonna fix anything lol.

[LittleImp]

In the current state of the game, a very large portion of people tackling high-end content are cheating to some degree.

I have been helping with a lot of Criterion learning parties lately, and it's actually rare for me to get into a party where no one is blatantly cheating. How can I tell? In ASS, there are at least two mechanics where Cactbot triggers are able to call the safe-spot before a player can read them manually. And I'm not talking processing speed, I mean the telegraph literally is not visible to the player yet. There is almost always at least one player in each party that will immediately pilot their character to the safespot before there has been any indication whatsoever where it is.

Another funny Cactbot driven phenomenon appears in the final boss of ASS; The callout it makes during the strings mechanic is something simple like 'SW corner'. Cactbot users will frequently just pilot their character deep into this corner, and then stand still, unsure of what to do for the rest of the mechanic while everyone explodes lol.

We exist in a reality in this game where there is probably a cheater in 100% of your lobbies. Could you imagine playing something like Siege or Valorant and having a cheater in 100% of your lobbies? At least this is a co-op game I guess.

[Turtledeluxe]

In the current state of the game, a very large portion of people tackling high-end content are cheating to some degree.

I have been helping with a lot of Criterion learning parties lately, and it's actually rare for me to get into a party where no one is blatantly cheating. How can I tell? In ASS, there are at least two mechanics where Cactbot triggers are able to call the safe-spot before a player can read them manually. And I'm not talking processing speed, I mean the telegraph literally is not visible to the player yet. There is almost always at least one player in each party that will immediately pilot their character to the safespot before there has been any indication whatsoever where it is.

Another funny Cactbot driven phenomenon appears in the final boss of ASS; The callout it makes during the strings mechanic is something simple like 'SW corner'. Cactbot users will frequently just pilot their character deep into this corner, and then stand still, unsure of what to do for the rest of the mechanic while everyone explodes lol.

We exist in a reality in this game where there is probably a cheater in 100% of your lobbies. Could you imagine playing something like Siege or Valorant and having a cheater in 100% of your lobbies? At least this is a co-op game I guess.

That's the thing is that it doesn't actually affect other players meaningfully because someone wants to stand around all day in Limsa with a shiny weapon.

[Tint]

That's the thing is that it doesn't actually affect other players meaningfully because someone wants to stand around all day in Limsa with a shiny weapon.

Of course it does - if I understand you correctly.

Cheaters destroy the value of the ultimate weapons. You are no longer impressed by seeing someone with that weapon, you assume he is probably a cheater.

So why should I invest time and effort in earning those weapons myself when they don't have any value anymore?

Yesyes I know: "the fights are fun" or "but you know you have earned them"

But that's just hot air.

Why did they even added these shiny weapons in the first place? People want a proper reward for their achievments.

But it also works in the other direction: If I see so many people in Limsa who have used cheats to obtain their ultimate weapons - why shouldn't I use them as well? It obviously works and SE does nothing against it. And why stop there? I can cheat my way through all sorts of content!