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    xivYuiM's Avatar
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    Yui Moriyama
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    Gilgamesh
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Graveyardprincess View Post
    Tbh It could be saved just the community and players don't want combat to be saved... People would rather it be do it and be done with it instend of idk PLAYING THE GAME lol I'm not trying to be offensive but ... why are you playing a game if you dont want challanges to grow over and improve its not suppose to be easy...

    Combat can only be solved when se and community actrually says: NO Its not okay to preform this badly at level 100, and instead encourage people to challenge themselves and improve, If someone can't swim you throw their .... into the ocean/river or lake and let them figure it out you either sink or swim there is no inbetween..

    I'm sorry but we players have been excusing things that are just common sense at that level bracket that there is 0 excuse to not know by that point.

    sometimes just sometimes being a little rough and "mean" is the nicest thing you can do for someone that is something people dont accept
    Unfortunately this is something you see everywhere in life nowadays. In the case of this game specifically though, I would put a lot of the blame on square for forcing people to accept that type of behavior by forcing the level of "toxic positivity" that this game is known for. If I typed half of the messages that I sent during heavensward dungeons I would be permabanned in a heartbeat today. Any chat messages that are even remotely critical make me nervous I am going to get banned after I got sent to GM jail in ShB for telling my black mage to use AOE attacks during a roulette. They are so rabid about banning people that I have gone out of my way to only communicate using auto-translate since the day I was jailed. If SE and the game mods allowed people to say what they want I have a feeling the community (and the game) as a whole would look a lot different than it does now.

    Also, you have the type of people who will pull out the argument "What is common sense to you might be hard for someone else to understand!! Stop being mean!!!" Listen, most people don't truly expect everyone they meet to be a master of all jobs all the time. The type of people who cried about harassment when it was still (sort of) allowed are people who got flamed for doing things like not using CDs/stance as a tank, completely refusing to AoE, totally ignoring combos and doing like 70% less DPS than the other DPS players, etc. IMO people who play like that DESERVE to be flamed especially if they have had someone correct them and they just actively choose to ignore it. If it wouldn't get me banned I would have bullied these people until they either shape up or quit playing because they truly ruined the experience for everyone else. Instead we have a community that is overflowing with people who want to just stare at pretty lights while they drool on their keyboard and anyone who has a problem with it can't voice their opinion without fear of being banned and losing all of their progress.
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    Last edited by xivYuiM; 06-08-2024 at 10:28 AM.

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    IDontPetLalas's Avatar
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    Alinne Seamont
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    Goblin
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by xivYuiM View Post
    Unfortunately this is something you see everywhere in life nowadays. In the case of this game specifically though, I would put a lot of the blame on square for forcing people to accept that type of behavior by forcing the level of "toxic positivity" that this game is known for. If I typed half of the messages that I sent during heavensward dungeons I would be permabanned in a heartbeat today. Any chat messages that are even remotely critical make me nervous I am going to get banned after I got sent to GM jail in ShB for telling my black mage to use AOE attacks during a roulette. They are so rabid about banning people that I have gone out of my way to only communicate using auto-translate since the day I was jailed. If SE and the game mods allowed people to say what they want I have a feeling the community (and the game) as a whole would look a lot different than it does now.

    Also, you have the type of people who will pull out the argument "What is common sense to you might be hard for someone else to understand!! Stop being mean!!!" Listen, most people don't truly expect everyone they met to be a master of all jobs all the time. The type of people who cried about harassment when it was still (sort of) allowed are people who got flamed for doing things like not using CDs/stance as a tank, completely refusing to AoE, totally ignoring combos and doing like 70% less DPS than the other DPS players, etc. IMO people who play like that DESERVE to be flamed especially if they have had someone correct them and they just actively choose to ignore it. If it wouldn't get me banned I would have bullied these people until they either shape up or quit playing because they truly ruined the experience for everyone else. Instead we have a community that is overflowing with people who want to just stare at pretty lights while they drool on their keyboard and anyone who has a problem with it can't voice their opinion without fear of being banned and losing all of their progress.
    You don't need to "flame" someone. if you speak to someone , and there isn't a communication issue (translation, could also be potentially age)- and that person doesn't modify- maybe they aren't using tank stance, there are other cases- you can kick them. If you actually want to help people it doesn't take very long to say "Sorry, but if you don't use tank stance we can't continue".

    There's no need to bully people. If it happens enough then they'll learn (hopefully) , change jobs or quit.
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    KisaiTenshi's Avatar
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    Kisa Kisa
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    Excalibur
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by xivYuiM View Post
    If SE and the game mods allowed people to say what they want I have a feeling the community (and the game) as a whole would look a lot different than it does now.
    I think you are just downplaying what you actually said.

    I have not seen a GM a single time in this game. Ever. It's likely they reported you for your word choice, not why.

    Again, one of the good things about this game is that SE doesn't let it turn into a toxic cess-pool so that new players are welcome. Remember why we're not allowed to skip the MSQ cutscenes? Around late HW/early Stormblood MSQ dungeons was a one hour commitment with a 500 tomes reward. They cut both in half, and also removed half of the ground you had to cover during it. But I remember when people would rudely spam comments to skip the cutscenes to new players so new players were told over and over again to not enjoy the game, to skip the cutscenes, to spoil their experience by watching tutorials, to do things perfectly out the gate or get kicked. That was ARR and HW. That had to change.

    People still send messages over cutscenes and it's annoying, but at least we no longer have dungeons in newer content that spend 10 minutes in cutscenes at the beginning.

    Why do people think they are entitled to being rude, if someone has a really short fuse, they should not be the one to explain the game mechanic.
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