Combat system is beyond saving.

[Aravell]

It’s ironic because “meta slave” pts that try to before the “meta comp” are historically bad groups relative to other groups. Meanwhile, the best of the best raiders understood the meta but also understood the value of playing to your teams strengths and weaknesses.

It's because players who were bad back then could not utilise the jobs to their fullest potential, playing a meta NIN at 30% output was a massive detriment compared to playing an off-meta MNK at 70% output.

What the dev team is doing now isn't going to kill off any meta, it's going to end up solidifying the meta even harder. Because it's so easy to pick up and get good at any job in the current game, people can easily just lock in meta comps and always get players. It's going to become even harder to join parties as an off-meta job as they continue making jobs easier to hit peak performance on.

[Valence]

That’s true, it’s just an odd trend I’ve noticed where the ones who talk about how “terrible” the balance of HW or SB were seem to only be people with later join dates. Clearly, whatever HW hatred some people have now wasn’t prominent enough at the time to justify sharing their own feedback about it back then.

I first decided to register on those forum in 2018 to ask SE to do something about MCH latency problems during late SB, but I've been playing since 2015.

It's because players who were bad back then could not utilise the jobs to their fullest potential, playing a meta NIN at 30% output was a massive detriment compared to playing an off-meta MNK at 70% output.

What the dev team is doing now isn't going to kill off any meta, it's going to end up solidifying the meta even harder. Because it's so easy to pick up and get good at any job in the current game, people can easily just lock in meta comps and always get players. It's going to become even harder to join parties as an off-meta job as they continue making jobs easier to hit peak performance on.

In my opinion it's more a problem of a damage meta slowly shifting toward an effort based meta, since most damage discrepancies are being softened (which isn't a bad thing mind you) while they bring more and more braindead jobs like SMN and DNC that account for more than half of the raiding playerbase of their respective subroles.

[rawker]

I wonder what happened to 1.0 when development of the game was beyond redemption?

Maybe we need another Dalamud-levels of calamity... though who will be the next Lousioix to fulfill the role?? Alphinaud, perhaps?

[HappyHubris]

All I was disputing was their claim that stance dancing was optional. It very much was not because of exactly what you said. People didn't like healers who could handle their role effortlessly and pushed them to dps, which we could only do effectively under cleric stance. .

If you're not trying to contribute damage then you're NOT "handling your time effectively," because you should always be casting and doing DPS when there isn't enough incoming damage to justify healing.

[Absurdity]

I wonder what happened to 1.0 when development of the game was beyond redemption?

Maybe we need another Dalamud-levels of calamity... though who will be the next Lousioix to fulfill the role?? Alphinaud, perhaps?

Unlikely to ever happen.
1.0 was basically an unproven entry into the FF franchise and the MMO market which is why it's terrible design resulted in such a dramatic drop in players.
XIV now however is an established title with a reputation for being actually very good, even if we disagree with that general perception nowadays.

[Menriq]

Unlikely to ever happen.
1.0 was basically an unproven entry into the FF franchise and the MMO market which is why it's terrible design resulted in such a dramatic drop in players.

Final Fantasy XI says hello.

[Absurdity]

Final Fantasy XI says hello.

XI was already a long-running MMO at that point, yes. But all that told you was that SE could make successful MMO, not that XIV was guaranteed to be one, especially since the genre had shifted drastically since 2002.

[Rekh]

especially since the genre had shifted drastically since 2002.

How so?

10 characters.

[Absurdity]

How so?

10 characters.

Because after the release and massive success of World of Warcraft in 2004 it became the new gold standard for what an MMO should be, and the slow-paced grind heavy style of Everquest, Dark Age of Camelot and XI had been on it's way out for a long time by 2010.

[Rekh]

Because after the release and massive success of World of Warcraft in 2004 it became the new gold standard for what an MMO should be, and the slow-paced grind heavy style of Everquest, Dark Age of Camelot and XI had been on it's way out for a long time by 2010.

Well, you won't find me calling BG3 an mmorpg but it does prove that that kind of gameplay and game design is still very much revelant.
The issue is no major or even minor mmorpg has tried to replicate it as an mmorpg unfortunately.

Game designers have this belief that people don't have patience for more tactical gameplay; again BG3 proved them wrong.