Please reconsider 7.0 BLM changes

[Cyth_]

Good or bad, we can only say Non-standard gameplay is not intended by SE. It is obvious that most of the DT changes are targeted towards removing Non-standard gameplay.

Please point me to where SE have specifically stated they are even aware of non-standard gameplay, let alone against it

[Ayden]

Please point me to where SE have specifically stated they are even aware of non-standard gameplay, let alone against it

Landing ice spells to restore MP is one. Another one would be the new fire gauge which requires people to do 6 Fire IV (presumably) for a new finisher. These 2 changes alone are enough to push people to do the standard rotation. You cant skip the ice phase and you must do the full fire sequence.

[Cyth_]

Landing ice spells to restore MP is one. Another one would be the new fire gauge which requires people to do 6 Fire IV (presumably) for a new finisher. These 2 changes alone are enough to push people to do the standard rotation. You cant skip the ice phase and you must do the full fire sequence.

This is speculation on their intent, not confirmation.

[Ianmaru]

Many Black Mage players both smarter and better at the job than me have extensively voiced these concerns

yea because the 'depth' of the current BLM is mostly enjoyed by the smarter & better than average players only, which is the minority. the average players dont really care about minmaxing thru nonstandard play. and the existence of nonstandard play is what makes BLM the special snowflake it is now. it makes BLM the only job with so much depths compared to the other jobs, and the purpose of removing the nonstandard play is to make BLM not sticking out like a sore thumb in terms of its depth when compared to the other job. A fair change, I must say. as a person who plays every single jobs decently, and minmaxes & optimizes everything as well, I agree that BLM needs to fall in line.

[Eksu]

This is speculation on their intent, not confirmation.

Please see this Famitsu article from the media tour: https://www.famitsu.com/news/202110/13236998.html

In the section about Paradox, it specifically says that they extended the duration of procs so you can use them to "Trance" (transpose) and return with Fire Proc. They are definitely aware people do this.

I'm just disappointed in how they are approaching this. The best of both worlds is to just make any GCD in UI give you mana. Hopefully something like that ends up shipping on the release build.

[Cyth_]

yea because the 'depth' of the current BLM is mostly enjoyed by the smarter & better than average players only, which is the minority. the average players dont really care about minmaxing thru nonstandard play. and the existence of nonstandard play is what makes BLM the special snowflake it is now. it makes BLM the only job with so much depths compared to the other jobs, and the purpose of removing the nonstandard play is to make BLM not sticking out like a sore thumb in terms of its depth when compared to the other job. A fair change, I must say. as a person who plays every single jobs decently, and minmaxes & optimizes everything as well, I agree that BLM needs to fall in line.

Why though? By your own admission, non-standard play is entirely optional and you can optimise BLM's damage output to a large extent without it? It's a 2% gain at absolute best, and getting that 2% requires such significant skill and planning that at that point it doesn't really matter what job that person is playing because they will crush anything the game throws at it.

After all these replies from people with a similar position, I am still left wondering why an option is a bad thing? Making all spells restore MP under Umbral Ice preserves this option for those who still want it, whilst giving other players who don't want to deal with MP ticks.

[Ianmaru]

Why though?...
After all these replies from people with a similar position, I am still left wondering why an option is a bad thing?

to answer simply, its not fair that BLM has the 'option', while every other jobs dont. it makes BLM too 'special' as a job. its either make BLM fall in line with the other jobs, or make all the other (currently) 18 jobs have the option for their own kind of nonstandard play. and the former is the easier one to do.

[Cyth_]

to answer simply, its not fair that BLM has the 'option', while every other jobs dont. it makes BLM too 'special' as a job. its either make BLM fall in line with the other jobs, or make all the other (currently) 18 jobs have the option for their own kind of nonstandard play. and the former is the easier one to do.

Other jobs did have options! It is because of feedback like this that they no longer do, BLM just happens to be one of the last holdouts. They are still clearly capable of designing jobs in such a way, such as the EW MNK rework (which they are now bizarrely gutting too). Even Reaper has a lot of niche, "non-standard" optimisation techniques. Nobody is forcing you to play non-standard Black Mage, so if you don't want to then you don't have to. Please do not spoil the one remaining job that has that level of satisfaction for those who do though.

[Ianmaru]

Other jobs did have options! It is because of feedback like this that they no longer do, BLM just happens to be one of the last holdouts. They are still clearly capable of designing jobs in such a way, such as the EW MNK rework (which they are now bizarrely gutting too). Even Reaper has a lot of niche, "non-standard" optimisation techniques. Nobody is forcing you to play non-standard Black Mage, so if you don't want to then you don't have to. Please do not spoil the one remaining job that has that level of satisfaction for those who do though.

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its not about what i want or not want to do, its about 'the reason of the gutting is to make it fair and balanced for all the jobs in terms of depth/options'.
if other jobs did have such options and then get gutted, then why can BLM stay not gutted? thats unfair, and thats the answer you need to accept.
BLM being 'the one remaining job' is exactly the reason it is special at the moment, thus it needs to be gutted and put in line alongside all the other jobs.

[Moqi]

yea because the 'depth' of the current BLM is mostly enjoyed by the smarter & better than average players only, which is the minority. the average players dont really care about minmaxing thru nonstandard play. and the existence of nonstandard play is what makes BLM the special snowflake it is now. it makes BLM the only job with so much depths compared to the other jobs, and the purpose of removing the nonstandard play is to make BLM not sticking out like a sore thumb in terms of its depth when compared to the other job. A fair change, I must say. as a person who plays every single jobs decently, and minmaxes & optimizes everything as well, I agree that BLM needs to fall in line.

Lmao imagine praising BLM and then celebrating taking out its depth instead of wishing all the other jobs could enjoy the same. As an average player, you seem pretty bothered despite "not caring".