Please reconsider 7.0 BLM changes

[Sunako]

What i dont like much is the aoe part.
The blm looks to have lost a lot of power in the aoe section.
Flare and high fire is weaker. I dont now, if the fire buff include flare now or not (the first skill excluded it first, and i dont know, if flare count as fire spell).
And, flarestar is stronger as the preview mentioned (weaker as i hoped). But, the 65% dmg lose in aoe looks to hurt hard (ok, as a fire spell comes some boost).

High Thunder 2 is a lot stronger than thunder 4. It is 420 potency without damage reduction. Manafont allow you to use flare -> flare -> flarestar -> flare -> flare -> flarestar. And with extra polygot stack you can use 4x foul if you want to. I bet most of mobs are dead before you have to enter ice phase.

[Galvuu]

1.) Final potencies have yet to be seen
2.) Even based on current potencies, is this taking into account BLM's +80% on Astral Fire III (Fire spells) and +30% from Enochian trait (all damage including Fire)? Because there is a lot of "hidden" potency there.

Are you implying the potencies on the job guides they updated today for the game that will be played tomorrow aren't final? Because I'm pretty sure these are final for 7.0. They might patch it in 7.05, but we're stuck with it for now.
And yes, obviously people accounted for the AF multiplier and Enochian. In fact, if you had raid buffs, it looks even worse because Picto has insane burst- you can essencially "precast" some of your spells in the filler rotation to unload in burst, and you have very potent ogcds to slam in burst too. 2300 potency in a gcd under burst shouldn't be a thing for any job, imho.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

Are you implying the potencies on the job guides they updated today for the game that will be played tomorrow aren't final? Because I'm pretty sure these are final for 7.0. They might patch it in 7.05, but we're stuck with it for now.
And yes, obviously people accounted for the AF multiplier and Enochian. In fact, if you had raid buffs, it looks even worse because Picto has insane burst- you can essencially "precast" some of your spells in the filler rotation to unload in burst, and you have very potent ogcds to slam in burst too. 2300 potency in a gcd under burst shouldn't be a thing for any job, imho.

@you and everyone who responded:
I didn't know the job guides were already out today.

@Kagetokage:
I am very well aware that the Balance is capable of doing this, I was simply not aware of the job guide updates.

@everyone:
Because I am not sure if this is otherwise clear, I want to say that I am sorry for my comment, it simply came out of a lack of knowledge.

[Keichi]

High Thunder 2 is a lot stronger than thunder 4. It is 420 potency without damage reduction. Manafont allow you to use flare -> flare -> flarestar -> flare -> flare -> flarestar. And with extra polygot stack you can use 4x foul if you want to. I bet most of mobs are dead before you have to enter ice phase.

Could you add some high fire to that?
Mp to spare should whe have and would be a few points more (but take a little longer).

I had the old rotation in mind: 2xhigh fire, 2x flare, 1x Flare star (and if you have Mama Front, a second time).
What i dont like much is, that you can not truly start a aoe fire start now, with flare Star at the end.

And:
Flare star is only with lvl 100.
The critic should be correct, for the way until 100.

[Sunako]

Could you add some high fire to that?
Mp to spare should whe have and would be a few points more (but take a little longer).

I had the old rotation in mind: 2xhigh fire, 2x flare, 1x Flare star (and if you have Mama Front, a second time).
What i dont like much is, that you can not truly start a aoe fire start now, with flare Star at the end.

You don't use High Flare for damage. Only reason to use it, if you are in ice phase want swap to fire like fire 3. You can also completely skip whole skill and use transpose and get full fire stacks with flare.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

You don't use High Flare for damage. Only reason to use it, if you are in ice phase want swap to fire like fire 3. You can also completely skip whole skill and use transpose and get full fire stacks with flare.

Yeah... from the looks of it Transpose -> Flare Flare -> Flare Star-> Foul/HT2 -> Transpose -> Freeze -> HT2/Foul -> Transpose -> repeat seems unironically worth it. Potentially you use (High) Fire II for swapping for AF3, but otherwise...

...man, we have been at this exact point with Shadowbringers where Fire 2 + Blizzard 2 were absolute garbage. Then we had Endwalker's "Enhanced Flare" and increase in potencies for the AOE skills and it actually was usable. Now we are back to spamming Flares again. Am I missing something or am I really gonna go back to basically nearly never using either spell again?

[Sunako]

Yeah... from the looks of it Transpose -> Flare Flare -> Flare Star-> Foul/HT2 -> Transpose -> Freeze -> HT2/Foul -> Transpose -> repeat seems unironically worth it. Potentially you use (High) Fire II for swapping for AF3, but otherwise...

...man, we have been at this exact point with Shadowbringers where Fire 2 + Blizzard 2 were absolute garbage. Then we had Endwalker's "Enhanced Flare" and increase in potencies for the AOE skills and it actually was usable. Now we are back to spamming Flares again. Am I missing something or am I really gonna go back to basically nearly never using either spell again?

Well my guess is that, because of Flare star, aoe cycle would become too long, if high flare would still be in rotation.

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

Well my guess is that, because of Flare star, aoe cycle would become too long, if high flare would still be in rotation.

A remedy they could do for that would be slashing a second off Flare (4s -> 3s) on cast time and also normalizing Fire II, Blizzard II, High Fire II and High Blizzard II to have 2.5s cast rather than 3s.

Like, great, nice job for giving us a new fire tool at Lv100, what about Lv50-99? Was it really necessary to reduce the potencies again? Why do we have to do this song and dance of nerfing BLM on expansion launch nearly every time to make sure another caster doesn't feel bad?

[Supersnow845]

They should have just cut one high fire out of the rotation and given that to flare star

So instead of freeze->high fire->high fire->high fire->flare->flare->flare star

Just make it so that in order for flare to not consume all your MP you need to have 2 or more umbral hearts so your rotation becomes

Freeze->high fire->high fire->flare->flare->flare star

This change has basically made high fire and high blizzard useless buttons

[Reinhardt_Azureheim]

They should have just cut one high fire out of the rotation and given that to flare star

So instead of freeze->high fire->high fire->high fire->flare->flare->flare star

Just make it so that in order for flare to not consume all your MP you need to have 2 or more umbral hearts so your rotation becomes

Freeze->high fire->high fire->flare->flare->flare star

This change has basically made high fire and high blizzard useless buttons

We back in Shadowbringers, aaaaaaaah...