Thread: Please reconsider 7.0 BLM changes

It is psychotic too me how many people in this thread are just happy this is happening because they didn't play BLM or had some kind of complex against them for being off in their own little corner being happy. Like "I'm happy you're getting screwed over because your job was scary and you can't say Yoshi P has got you anymore" is nuts. Never mind the fact these changes are worse for all levels of BLM so it doesn't actually help anyone lol.

Originally Posted by SoleilBigMountain

It is psychotic too me how many people in this thread are just happy this is happening because they didn't play BLM or had some kind of complex against them for being off in their own little corner being happy. Like "I'm happy you're getting screwed over because your job was scary and you can't say Yoshi P has got you anymore" is nuts. Never mind the fact these changes are worse for all levels of BLM so it doesn't actually help anyone lol.

Witchburner mentality

Originally Posted by Keichi

What are you talking?

First:
Is his quote right.

The most important thing is, that the rotation feels good for you. All other things are meaningless, if it doesnt feel right to you and make it harder.
There is no sense in trying, to follow are very strict order of skills, who has to be used in a fixed number, when it doesnt suit you.

Like exampe: Practicly every guide to BLM stated, that you has to use 4xfire,paradox, fire4 again until the mp is low, despair, in between maybe fire3, mana front, fire 4 again and than despair again. Maybe even Xenoglosie in between.
It is the rotation that makes the most dmg and the highest use of your mp. But, the timer feels to strickt for me. I prefer to only use 3x fire4, and than paradox, when im around 6s left oif the timer, simply, because it feels more safe to me.

Similary thing Drg. Who is even more busier, by using gcd and ogcd in between of each other other. So, that you can use as many skills as possible in a short amount of time.
It is maybe the best way from the numbers. But the feeling of you let you maybe choice to use the high jump, mirage dive, geirskogul combo in one row, without other skills in between, because its easier for you to press the3 skills in that way. And feels more naturaly to you.

Aside of that:
What is that BS, that his opinuion is called meanin gless, only, because of the stuff he was in yet?
Doing solo content, or normal dungeons has the same value, as doing the highest content. Esspecialy, when the hardest content is stuff, that not everyone can enter or likes to enter it (i was never in a Ultimate raid, because: I never had a group for it and, because i never had interesst in it, the name alone let it sound to be a worthless pain in the ..., who is to hard with to less of a good reward, for trying it).
A lot of the players are probably adults or late teens, who has to work or to learn stuff. And maybe dont want to work that hard or using up the time so much, for doing things, that dont make fun to them. Or, they have problems with entering groups activily, and are so keeped out of the group stuff.

You do understand that you will be actively punished for your "preferred" rotation after these changes right? You HAVE to use 6 F4 in a fire cycle to do the finisher. This change will negatively impact you more than it will any of us players that have done the hardest content on this job. We are all easily capable of doing the standard rotation. We just like the added challenge and fun of doing nonstandard to optimize our dps. This change will raise the skill floor (make it harder for you) while lower the skill ceiling (make it less fun for us). There are no winners with this change. The job is strictly worse in every way.

Originally Posted by SoleilBigMountain

It is psychotic too me how many people in this thread are just happy this is happening because they didn't play BLM or had some kind of complex against them for being off in their own little corner being happy. Like "I'm happy you're getting screwed over because your job was scary and you can't say Yoshi P has got you anymore" is nuts. Never mind the fact these changes are worse for all levels of BLM so it doesn't actually help anyone lol.

Every time people trotted out the "YoshiP's job!" line, I rolled my eyes so hard I was staring at the brain in the jar that comprises my being.

Nope, i dont realy see, why i should be punished.
Ok, it can happen in new content, that i have trouble with the rotation, because im focusing to much of the battle field and arent able to cast (like, in Troja, or the third god raid).
But in overall do i have rarely trouble, with shooting 6 fire4 in one rotation. 3 or maybe even 4x fire 4, than refresher with paradox or fire1, and than again 3 fire4 and Despair as finisher.
And if i feel, that im not able to shoot all, do i simply using flare and despair, to end my mp and go into ice mode. I didnt care so much about it, to have a perfect rotation each time. If i srew up, do i trying to come back into my flow as fast as possible (one thing i like about blm is, that you can easily come back, after you entered your ice phase).

Its possible, that some problems will coming. Like, doing solo content with Blm (i play Blm mostly in group content and had trouble in early solo content). I can hardly imaging the Blm in solo Story fights, because of no self heal option and movement option (like the fight again the old guy in shb, where i needed the heal ability and movement of dancer, to manage that fight) and slow casting time (in the fight again zenos had i mostly used fire 1, because there was rarely time for the strong spells, without instant cast option).
But, i had rarely problems with the Blm in group content. Except of the early runs, where you learn the new stuff. The only thing is, that im not a Player who like the hardest stuff. So, i never tried ultima stuff (i can hardly image success in that with any class). The only extrem stuff that i did was Hydaelin and Zodiac, when they came out. And there had i less trouble.

And, from what i saw, has the Blm mostly only improvements to the earlier stuff. At last, if you using the standard rotations.
Ice spells looks to increase your mp faster as before (had it today multiple times, that i ended up with only 6k mp, because the mp regenerated to slow in the ice phase, after using 2 ice spells). You dont has to keep track of the thunder timer anymore (runned it out, because i forgot them).
And, you will have a additional final attack at the rotation you allready did.
The only thing that i dislike is, that Thunder isnt usable at the start anymore. But that is not much of important. And, that Despair didnt fill the new gauge.

And i dont worry about the mp reg in lower lvl, simply because the blm didnt had any trouble yet. And i fail to see noticable drawbacks, that can not be fixed with the Dream skill (have now a reason to use it sometimes).

The only improvement i would have in my mind now would be, to reduce the casting time of the spells a little.
The biggest problem of the Blm, is his slow speed. That can make the rest of the mechanic worse (reason, why i prefer spell speed in my stuff, even, when im a bit lower, as the speed build say, that you would need).

Wow the amount of toxic peole that dont understand how the job works but are just happy the blackmages are upset is nuts. In the jp forums this is a lot more nuanced. No wonder they dont care about the english forums.

Originally Posted by Kazaarr

Wow the amount of toxic peole that dont understand how the job works but are just happy the blackmages are upset is nuts. In the jp forums this is a lot more nuanced. No wonder they dont care about the english forums.

English forums primarily has a "screw you got mine" mentality. It comes full circle when the toxic people's job classes are next on the chopping block.

Originally Posted by Taranok

If this is true, then yeah, transpose-firestarter is still a damage loss. But it's because you're losing +70 percentage points from the opportunity cost of chasing +10% damage instead of AF3's +80% damage. The opportunity cost of holding it is harmful, especially since it's fire 4 neutral at AF3. It's still not all downside, it's still +10% when at AF1, but yeah, they basically harmed BLM heavily below 20, and further reinforces the thought that BLM is in desperate need of a leveling rework. Personally, the fire 4 rotation needs to be dropped from 60 to 35 (without using fire 4 here,) and in the process it'd be pretty easy to just pare down skills, modernize the design, and build it back up with other, newer skills.

I'm not sure I follow your math here. If AF1 is +40% fire damage and AF3 is +80% fire damage, but UI3 is +0% fire damage, then an AF3 Firestarter + UI3 Fire III should come out to the same average potency as an AF1 Firestarter. 1.8 + 1.0 over 2 GCDs instead of 1.4 over one GCD, right? Transpose into Firestarter would allow you to slightly manage how soon or later future astral/umbral cycles change but shouldn't give you extra damage.

Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

There's no argument in ad hominem. I have way less experience playing this game than most of the community and I don't consider myself good yet, but it's going to be funny when you're not as good at the game as I am. What will you say when you can't talk down to me? My opinions won't change but my position will.

I'm grinding UWU currently and you're not going to stay ahead very long. It is only a matter of time until most of this community is not as good at the game as me.

Glad you admitted to having way less experience with the game than others. So let the black mage enjoyers speak their mind on how they feel about the changes instead of trying to talk to them like their feedback doesn't matter.