Thread: Please reconsider 7.0 BLM changes

The lore stated, that its a phase where you gives your aether rest and time to recover. It never stated, that you are not allowed to use spells in that time (that is, what whe are doing allready). At the same time did she practicly even learned ice spells to enter that state. Whe even strenght that phase, by using ice spells (ice soul) and later creating ice shards, to support the fire phase. So, its looks to be connected from the start.
In addition is it simply a game mechanic, to give Ice attacks more use.

Mao wouldn't mind if non-standard still allowed buts changes nots gonna affect Mao too much. Mao mostly standards already because Mao casts Blizzard IV in Mao rotation. Mao likes watch sparkly ice. SHINY!

If non standard elimination was the target they could have just made the ice phase better.
Instead of yet another fire spell charged by fire attacks why not make it so that ice spells charge it instead?
If the damage was high enough non standard would then no longer exist. That would have made both sides happy
As a blm main since heavensward I think that would be the best way. Not more fire spells and simplifications but enrichment of what we have.

I only use nonstandard from time to time. I wouldn’t really miss it but I think there would have been better ways to change everything.

Originally Posted by Supersnow845

No it’s a combo of 2 things

1) to get this new skill you must press 6 fire 4’s, this means “short lines” (ie rotation loops where you don’t get umbral hearts so you don’t have enough mana to cast 6 fire 4’s) are pretty much gone since you basically need to do 6 fire 4’s now
2) you now need to cast a spell (presumably an ice spell) in umbral ice to get mana back rather than just being in umbral ice. Most of the “non standard” play in BLM involves transposing into umbral ice then casting large gain spells like thunder 3 or xenoglossy to skip casting weak ice spells like blizzard 3 and blizzard 4

The changes in DT are removing both of these situations

I mean I get this, I understand the rotational "streamlining" is disappointing. I am just wondering if anyone is finding the flavor/aesthetic disappointingly unoriginal/innovative as well?

I feel for you BLM mains. Just like AST, our jobs which have optimization and mid-maxing potential have been taken away and simplified, all so the shitters of this game can feel better they aren't optimal because they couldn't be bothered to put the effort in.

Originally Posted by Zaytex

I feel for you BLM mains. Just like AST, our jobs which have optimization and mid-maxing potential have been taken away and simplified, all so the shitters of this game can feel better they aren't optimal because they couldn't be bothered to put the effort in.

Imagine liking both Ast and BLM. (Although i play standard mostly)

Oh yeah and liking old PLD....

Fun times to play ff14!

Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

Also it doesn't matter, because non-standard is dead and gone. It makes sense, it was intentionally squashed because the devs don't want people to take blizzard 4 off their bars just to be meta.

This is a really odd way to put this. People playing non-standard aren't using non-standard lines 100% of the time (that isn't usually possible or optimal). Non-standard lines provide additional flexibility to the rotation and allow players to fit it better into fights with downtime or phases that aren't friendly to a purely standard rotation.

It would feel bad to lose that flexibility, which is why it would be nice if the devs would implement this (good! useful!) change in such a way that would still allow players to use more flexible lines on occasion (e.g. allowing t3 or xeno to restore mp in addition to b4/b1/umbral soul).

Even if they don't, it's likely that some non-standard play will still exist, it'll just be much more niche (and likely a lot harder to execute and use, which I think goes counter to their intentions). We'll have to wait until we see media tour and/or the launch version of the job to know for sure, there are still open questions (does any mp at all restore from ticks when in ice, or is it 100% spells now? Does lucid dreaming restore mp? How much and when? etc.)

Originally Posted by jazzcatte

This is a really odd way to put this. People playing non-standard aren't using non-standard lines 100% of the time (that isn't usually possible or optimal). Non-standard lines provide additional flexibility to the rotation and allow players to fit it better into fights with downtime or phases that aren't friendly to a purely standard rotation.

It would feel bad to lose that flexibility, which is why it would be nice if the devs would implement this (good! useful!) change in such a way that would still allow players to use more flexible lines on occasion (e.g. allowing t3 or xeno to restore mp in addition to b4/b1/umbral soul).

Even if they don't, it's likely that some non-standard play will still exist, it'll just be much more niche (and likely a lot harder to execute and use, which I think goes counter to their intentions). We'll have to wait until we see media tour and/or the launch version of the job to know for sure, there are still open questions (does any mp at all restore from ticks when in ice, or is it 100% spells now? Does lucid dreaming restore mp? How much and when? etc.)

Sounds way too complex to me, good thing it is being removed so everyone can strive to play their job to the fullest instead of just 0.0001% of the playerbase. Downtime should just be as simple as casting umbral soul to maintain full hearts and keep enochian running. It is downtime after all.

If you can do more, there is pressure to do more. Having it your way makes high end content more exclusive and that's not a good thing. More people should be able to access the top level of play on all jobs. What you want is like, a really small and elitist high end community. It's different in PF, but top level statics will pressure their players to do everything they can and if it is too much then people will simply play a different job to get by in their statics, or not engage in the high end community at all because they would rather play black mage. This is why jobs like summoner are so popular in high end.

It's almost like the elite couldn't care less about player engagement, because they are willing to do what it takes to get by and it only takes 8 people for a static. Doing what leads to a more active endgame playerbase is just better for the game's health. If sacrificing a really complicated flexibility that optimizes your potency will lead to greater player engagement, that's for the best even if it upsets a minority at the top a little bit. This is why capitalism is great in some ways, the majority rules because it's not like the elitists pay a higher subscription fee. Just look at how popular summoner has become if you want to know how it works.

If you lose all charges of the new fire buildup upon switching to umbral ice and the potency is too strong to miss out on, that pretty much does it.

Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

Sounds way too complex to me, good thing it is being removed so everyone can strive to play their job to the fullest instead of just 0.0001% of the playerbase. Downtime should just be as simple as casting umbral soul to maintain full hearts and keep enochian running. It is downtime after all.

If you can do more, there is pressure to do more. Having it your way makes high end content more exclusive and that's not a good thing. More people should be able to access the top level of play on all jobs. What you want is like, a really small and elitist high end community. It's different in PF, but top level statics will pressure their players to do everything they can and if it is too much then people will simply play a different job to get by in their statics, or not engage in the high end community at all because they would rather play black mage. This is why jobs like summoner are so popular in high end.

It's almost like the elite couldn't care less about player engagement, because they are willing to do what it takes to get by and it only takes 8 people for a static. Doing what leads to a more active endgame playerbase is just better for the game's health. If sacrificing a really complicated flexibility that optimizes your potency will lead to greater player engagement, that's for the best even if it upsets a minority at the top a little bit. This is why capitalism is great in some ways, the majority rules because it's not like the elitists pay a higher subscription fee. Just look at how popular summoner has become if you want to know how it works.

If you lose all charges of the new fire buildup upon switching to umbral ice and the potency is too strong to miss out on, that pretty much does it.

If on log in everyone instantly got a clear of the current savage tier and a full suite of relics then savage engagement will reach 100%