Thread: Please reconsider 7.0 BLM changes

Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

Why? Because they try the hardest on top of playing the game for fantasy. People who care about non-standard are trying to break the game for higher numbers and couldn't care less about the satisfaction of the job design or spells that the devs created. If the highest potency was to press one button, the non-standard player would play that way.

Except non standard doesn’t break any lore conventions because as I said umbral ice is what restores MP, not channeling ice magic specifically, this is explained in the like level 5 THM quest

If you oppose non standard lines it sounds like you actually oppose skills that facilitate their ability to exist (which is mainly transpose and xenoglossy) because remember the lore states there is no functional difference between xeno and blizzard 4 when in umbral ice because its umbral ice itself that allows for mana regen (same reason astral fire cancels natural MP regen)

Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

Also it doesn't matter, because non-standard is dead and gone. It makes sense, it was intentionally squashed because the devs don't want people to take blizzard 4 off their bars just to be meta.

This is a really odd way to put this. People playing non-standard aren't using non-standard lines 100% of the time (that isn't usually possible or optimal). Non-standard lines provide additional flexibility to the rotation and allow players to fit it better into fights with downtime or phases that aren't friendly to a purely standard rotation.

It would feel bad to lose that flexibility, which is why it would be nice if the devs would implement this (good! useful!) change in such a way that would still allow players to use more flexible lines on occasion (e.g. allowing t3 or xeno to restore mp in addition to b4/b1/umbral soul).

Even if they don't, it's likely that some non-standard play will still exist, it'll just be much more niche (and likely a lot harder to execute and use, which I think goes counter to their intentions). We'll have to wait until we see media tour and/or the launch version of the job to know for sure, there are still open questions (does any mp at all restore from ticks when in ice, or is it 100% spells now? Does lucid dreaming restore mp? How much and when? etc.)

Originally Posted by jazzcatte

This is a really odd way to put this. People playing non-standard aren't using non-standard lines 100% of the time (that isn't usually possible or optimal). Non-standard lines provide additional flexibility to the rotation and allow players to fit it better into fights with downtime or phases that aren't friendly to a purely standard rotation.

It would feel bad to lose that flexibility, which is why it would be nice if the devs would implement this (good! useful!) change in such a way that would still allow players to use more flexible lines on occasion (e.g. allowing t3 or xeno to restore mp in addition to b4/b1/umbral soul).

Even if they don't, it's likely that some non-standard play will still exist, it'll just be much more niche (and likely a lot harder to execute and use, which I think goes counter to their intentions). We'll have to wait until we see media tour and/or the launch version of the job to know for sure, there are still open questions (does any mp at all restore from ticks when in ice, or is it 100% spells now? Does lucid dreaming restore mp? How much and when? etc.)

Sounds way too complex to me, good thing it is being removed so everyone can strive to play their job to the fullest instead of just 0.0001% of the playerbase. Downtime should just be as simple as casting umbral soul to maintain full hearts and keep enochian running. It is downtime after all.

If you can do more, there is pressure to do more. Having it your way makes high end content more exclusive and that's not a good thing. More people should be able to access the top level of play on all jobs. What you want is like, a really small and elitist high end community. It's different in PF, but top level statics will pressure their players to do everything they can and if it is too much then people will simply play a different job to get by in their statics, or not engage in the high end community at all because they would rather play black mage. This is why jobs like summoner are so popular in high end.

It's almost like the elite couldn't care less about player engagement, because they are willing to do what it takes to get by and it only takes 8 people for a static. Doing what leads to a more active endgame playerbase is just better for the game's health. If sacrificing a really complicated flexibility that optimizes your potency will lead to greater player engagement, that's for the best even if it upsets a minority at the top a little bit. This is why capitalism is great in some ways, the majority rules because it's not like the elitists pay a higher subscription fee. Just look at how popular summoner has become if you want to know how it works.

If you lose all charges of the new fire buildup upon switching to umbral ice and the potency is too strong to miss out on, that pretty much does it.

Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

Sounds way too complex to me, good thing it is being removed so everyone can strive to play their job to the fullest instead of just 0.0001% of the playerbase. Downtime should just be as simple as casting umbral soul to maintain full hearts and keep enochian running. It is downtime after all.

If you can do more, there is pressure to do more. Having it your way makes high end content more exclusive and that's not a good thing. More people should be able to access the top level of play on all jobs. What you want is like, a really small and elitist high end community. It's different in PF, but top level statics will pressure their players to do everything they can and if it is too much then people will simply play a different job to get by in their statics, or not engage in the high end community at all because they would rather play black mage. This is why jobs like summoner are so popular in high end.

It's almost like the elite couldn't care less about player engagement, because they are willing to do what it takes to get by and it only takes 8 people for a static. Doing what leads to a more active endgame playerbase is just better for the game's health. If sacrificing a really complicated flexibility that optimizes your potency will lead to greater player engagement, that's for the best even if it upsets a minority at the top a little bit. This is why capitalism is great in some ways, the majority rules because it's not like the elitists pay a higher subscription fee. Just look at how popular summoner has become if you want to know how it works.

If you lose all charges of the new fire buildup upon switching to umbral ice and the potency is too strong to miss out on, that pretty much does it.

If on log in everyone instantly got a clear of the current savage tier and a full suite of relics then savage engagement will reach 100%

Originally Posted by Supersnow845

If on log in everyone instantly got a clear of the current savage tier and a full suite of relics then savage engagement will reach 100%

Yeah but we both know how dumb of an assertion that was for you to make.

Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

Yeah but we both know how dumb of an assertion that was for you to make.

I made exactly the same assertion as you did

You entire half page argument I replied to basically boils down to “jobs can’t have complexity because then you are creating restrictions on content and that’s elitist”

Where is the logical conclusion of that argument

What if I think standard rotation BLM is too hard. Aren’t you being restrictive to me? What if I want to clear savage spamming fire 1? Ripping our job complexity in an effort to not be “elitist” is such a flawed argument because it has no logical conclusion

The only way to remove “elitism” of entry and optimisation of higher end content is to just remove said content from the game and flatten every job into a healer

Originally Posted by HikariKurosawa

Sounds way too complex to me, good thing it is being removed so everyone can strive to play their job to the fullest instead of just 0.0001% of the playerbase.

what an utterly nauseating take, i can only pray you're baiting here for the sake of humanity

Originally Posted by Doublejho

what an utterly nauseating take, i can only pray you're baiting here for the sake of humanity

Ive been seeing their posts around a lot of the forums I think theyre probably a troll or a massive bootlicker. They just seem to want to argue against people for the sake of it and not for any discussion.