Thread: Please reconsider 7.0 BLM changes

Originally Posted by Galvuu

So yea, I'd change jobs for the 4th time if what you're describing happens.
(My wife had a similar trajectory, starting with DRK in HW, then WAR in SB, then PLD in ShB and now GNB)

Now so you believe this is the right stance? if it is the right stance, then, doesnt it mean ppl ideally would change job towards the job that has the most depths? right?
so in turns, in ideal scenario, it would make a lot of ppl change job to BLM. just like you and your wife. and thus the player-job distribution tips toward BLM, because it has that one special thing that every other jobs dont have. and thats exactly the problem. having something special on one job, makes that job treated differently by the player base. your answer simply proves my point about the importance of 'fairness' and 'balance' between the jobs.

Originally Posted by Ianmaru

Now so you believe this is the right stance? if it is the right stance, then, doesnt it mean ppl ideally would change job towards the job that has the most depths? right?
so in turns, in ideal scenario, it would make a lot of ppl change job to BLM. just like you and your wife. and thus the player-job distribution tips toward BLM, because it has that one special thing that every other jobs dont have. and thats exactly the problem. having something special on one job, makes that job treated differently by the player base. your answer simply proves my point about the importance of 'fairness' and 'balance' between the jobs.

I have no idea what you're even talking about. My stance is that jobs should have varied depth of gameplay. Ideally all- I'm content with some being simpler and more accessible (one per role, for example, like WHM/RDM or SMN/DNC/WAR can be the "simple, intro jobs"). Also, the fact I'd hop (very begrudgingly, I'd add) to another job is completely irrelevant to this problem, it's just a symptom of the sickness that's modern job design.
What you're saying about people chasing the jobs with the most depth is also untrue. BLM is one of the least played jobs in the game. The only time there was any significant migration to it was ARR (when SMN was really bad due to long ramp up and downtime in Coils and some HM primals too). In fact, it still is, in EW. If you check on a certain spreadsheet site the clear rates per job, BLM is one of the lowest, down there with BRD and MNK as one of the three least played jobs for Anabaseios.
By far and large, the playerbase prefers simple, easier jobs. Which is aggravating, because those people already have over half of the jobs being brutally simplified every expac, and people that want more intricate, hard-to-master, fluid gameplay get less and less with time. It's like it's a crime that I enjoy complicated jobs with a kit that can be adapted to different situations.

Originally Posted by Galvuu

I have no idea what you're even talking about. My stance is that jobs should have varied depth of gameplay. Ideally all- I'm content with some being simpler and more accessible (one per role, for example, like WHM/RDM or SMN/DNC/WAR can be the "simple, intro jobs"). Also, the fact I'd hop (very begrudgingly, I'd add) to another job is completely irrelevant to this problem, it's just a symptom of the sickness that's modern job design.
What you're saying about people chasing the jobs with the most depth is also untrue. BLM is one of the least played jobs in the game. The only time there was any significant migration to it was ARR (when SMN was really bad due to long ramp up and downtime in Coils and some HM primals too). In fact, it still is, in EW. If you check on a certain spreadsheet site the clear rates per job, BLM is one of the lowest, down there with BRD and MNK as one of the three least played jobs for Anabaseios.
By far and large, the playerbase prefers simple, easier jobs. Which is aggravating, because those people already have over half of the jobs being brutally simplified every expac, and people that want more intricate, hard-to-master, fluid gameplay get less and less with time. It's like it's a crime that I enjoy complicated jobs with a kit that can be adapted to different situations.

I agree completely with you, it's a really awful feeling that as time goes on the people who enjoy in the way we do are less and less welcome.

Originally Posted by Ianmaru

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i cannot get over how aggressively bad your stance is here, it truly does baffle the mind

Originally Posted by Ianmaru

Now so you believe this is the right stance? if it is the right stance, then, doesnt it mean ppl ideally would change job towards the job that has the most depths? right?
so in turns, in ideal scenario, it would make a lot of ppl change job to BLM. just like you and your wife. and thus the player-job distribution tips toward BLM, because it has that one special thing that every other jobs dont have. and thats exactly the problem. having something special on one job, makes that job treated differently by the player base. your answer simply proves my point about the importance of 'fairness' and 'balance' between the jobs.

I'm sorry but this is just absurd and such an obvious misunderstanding of Galvuu's point. The issue is not people switching to BLM, that is simply a symptom of the actual issue - homogenisation. I really do not understand how we can be clearer about this, we want them to walk back the changes that have stripped so many jobs of their depth. Yes, BLM should not be an outlier but it is for the complete opposite reason to what you are suggesting.