So, the button merging feature... did I get this right?

[GoatOfWar]

Sadly its the opposite though many, especially those with disabilities would love a 1-1-1 for the basic. I think this should be a option. They seemingly look at what plugins people use and a quick google search shows that 1-1-1 like pvp is popular. I am sure they have reasons to be against it but if its something thats helps people why not? People who dont want to do it can just disable it while people that could get a use out of it could have an easier time playing.

Because that turns it into the same braindead filler spam that healers have.
If you make it an option to turn 123 into 111 then that's the only correct one.
You remove the margin of error entirely that way.

It is functionally the same as me falling asleep on white mage, endlessly casting glares.

[GrizzlyTank]

Because that turns it into the same braindead filler spam that healers have.
If you make it an option to turn 123 into 111 then that's the only correct one.
You remove the margin of error entirely that way.

It is functionally the same as me falling asleep on white mage, endlessly casting glares.

It does bring attention to the fact that the core rotation for a lot of classes is actually quite stale.

[vetch]

Because that turns it into the same braindead filler spam that healers have.
If you make it an option to turn 123 into 111 then that's the only correct one.
You remove the margin of error entirely that way.

It is functionally the same as me falling asleep on white mage, endlessly casting glares.

Counterpoint: who gives a crap what able-bodied people might think of disability aids?

"If we put 1-button combo options everywhere then abled people might use them!" That's fine.

"It sounds so boring in my head!" Don't use it then.

The existence of wheelchairs has not rendered marathon runners extinct.

[PyurBlue]

Yeah you're right but those optimizations are so minuscule that a single extra crit would triple the combo optimizations gain, specially when the bosses are like 9 minutes long, I think the 1 button combo that can't ever be failed would outweight it on the long run.
I would rather pvp combos for weaponskills just don't exist and everyone plays on the same leveled field, a few specific abilities having a 1 button combo seems like a fine middle-ground.

The gain isn't a lot but I was trying to point out that there are benefits to breaking combos. Fight design would also influence how beneficial combo breaking is. The situation will never come up in single target fights but that could be solved by adding more enemies to fights, specifically more duo enemies since the AoE threshold is usually three.

I don't mind an autocombo function existing as an option, but it's not something that I'm interested in using.

It makes more sense in this situation to swap to the target with higher health with your combo finisher.

I was keeping things simple to avoid a long post. The enemies could be separated in a way that prevents switching target, such as one casting invulnerability on the other or large physical distance that prevents the use of gapclosers.

Resource gains also change the optimum but they may not exist in all cases.

Why would you not want to build resources?

Resources weren't part of the example. They could make it more beneficial to finish the combo, but the combo in question or the situation in which it is in use may not involve resources in the first place.

[Cynric]

I was keeping things simple to avoid a long post. The enemies could be separated in a way that prevents switching target, such as one casting invulnerability on the other or large physical distance that prevents the use of gapclosers.

Resource gains also change the optimum but they may not exist in all cases.


Resources weren't part of the example. They could make it more beneficial to finish the combo, but the combo in question or the situation in which it is in use may not involve resources in the first place.

@Invulnerability : Then you can't switch targets and do damage at all, if you can your combo finisher is still better, if you can't then you can't. Unless I'm misunderstanding.

@Too far: Then you get close enough to gap close? I'm not really sure either of these circumstances really change anything. Either you can switch targets or you can't switch targets but it won't change the math of 2 targets with a weaker skill versus a stronger one.

As for resources, combo damage takes resources into account so the math makes more sense when you account for them.

[PyurBlue]

@Invulnerability : Then you can't switch targets and do damage at all, if you can your combo finisher is still better, if you can't then you can't. Unless I'm misunderstanding.

@Too far: Then you get close enough to gap close? I'm not really sure either of these circumstances really change anything. Either you can switch targets or you can't switch targets but it won't change the math of 2 targets with a weaker skill versus a stronger one.

As for resources, combo damage takes resources into account so the math makes more sense when you account for them.

In the first case I was thinking of something like Omega M shielding Omega F. You can deal damage to one but not the other until the first one dies. Finishing the combo means opening on enemy 2 with a low potency combo starter. If finishing the combo also grants resources that can be used on the remaining enemy in this case then the loss from raw combo potency won't matter. That may be the common outcome but I'm not sure if it will always be the case with factors like enemy health pool, downtime, or resources that might expire.

When it comes to distance, depending on how many closers are available and how much time it takes to kill the mobs you might lose DPS to movement if you switch targets before finishing one. This is especially true if the time to kill these enemies is less than closer CD. You would move to one and then have to move back to the other.

These are very niche situations and I admitted that from the start, although I don't consider that to be a negative. I find circumstantial rotations more interesting than totally rigid ones.

[GoatOfWar]

Counterpoint: who gives a crap what able-bodied people might think of disability aids?

"If we put 1-button combo options everywhere then abled people might use them!" That's fine.

"It sounds so boring in my head!" Don't use it then.

The existence of wheelchairs has not rendered marathon runners extinct.

We can have easier jobs.
We don't need to simplify the living hell out of everything.
''Don't use it'' Is not a valid response when it's optimal.

[Kohl]

We can have easier jobs.
We don't need to simplify the living hell out of everything.
''Don't use it'' Is not a valid response when it's optimal.

"Don't use it" is a completely valid response. If the complaint is that the game becomes too boring for you personally, then don't play it on "easy" (if that is what you want to call it). Saying that everyone needs to have things on an "equal playing field" and ignoring equity is a weak argument. Should the options to change the screen settings for colorblind people be removed so they are forced to play on an "equal playing field"? You sound like you just want to feel elite and superior to other people, and if that is the case I do not find your argument compelling.

[GoatOfWar]

"Don't use it" is a completely valid response. If the complaint is that the game becomes too boring for you personally, then don't play it on "easy" (if that is what you want to call it). Saying that everyone needs to have things on an "equal playing field" and ignoring equity is a weak argument. Should the options to change the screen settings for colorblind people be removed so they are forced to play on an "equal playing field"? You sound like you just want to feel elite and superior to other people, and if that is the case I do not find your argument compelling.

And your comment makes you come across as someone who refuses to even try to learn something and wants to be given everything for free.

[Kohl]

And your comment makes you come across as someone who refuses to even try to learn something and wants to be given everything for free.

ok, boomer