Complete MCH change…

[A-Omega]

Am I the only person who hates MCH having a gun they don’t even use? In truth, MCH has always bothered me because of this. There’s a gunner guild in Limsa, Mist Beard, and gunslinging pirates, gun wielding Garleans, but we got a job that has no need for it. I’m sorry but the gun fantasy is wasted on MCH since you don’t even use the gun properly. MCH main damage comes from its use of…machines. I was hoping the rework would strip the gun from them so we could get something the mirrors Merlwyb’s fighting style, but we stayed the course lunchbox and all.
I’m sure there will be people who strongly disagree, but I ask those of you this…if you took the gun away, how much would the job honestly change? Muskets don’t shoot rocket rounds, flamethrowers, buzzsaws, or air anchors. That’s what the lunchbox is for right. It holds the queen and all the gadgets you use in combat. You’d get the same effect if the weapon was a predictor style backpack with turrets.
Maybe I’m way off base here, but I’m fairly sure everyone would be happy with a job that better fits the gun fantasy.

[Vatom]

I personally wish for a gunner class or a Vincent gunslinger class would be nice to have a gun focused class

[WiccaP]

I dont disagree with you. I've mained MCH since HW and I miss the old turret system, and the different abilities that while didn't always work kind of tied the gun into the job more. While I wish they leaned more into the inventor/gadgets more; I think the reason the gun seems so out of place is because we dont have abilities like head graze and blank. My biggest complaint with MCH is that we've lost a lot of the flavor that tied it together, now if you look at its kit objectively its kinda disjointed in theme and direction.

But I do love the job and think its in a decent spot, its been worse.

[Darkpaw]

This is not that unpopular of a take tbh. Lots of long term mch players have seen the gun become less and less important.

Think that’s why so many were hoping for sword and gun wielding corsair when dawntrail first got announced. At least that would be closer than what mch is now.

[xbahax92]

I personally wish for a gunner class or a Vincent gunslinger class would be nice to have a gun focused class

Same here, still waiting for dual wielding gunner...
Instead we get another MELEE!

[TheMightyMollusk]

Same here, still waiting for dual wielding gunner...
Instead we get another MELEE!

We got the second-ever Scouting job and the first new caster since Stormblood. (No, BLU doesn't count.) Going by SE's love of patterns, we'll probably get a tank and an Aiming job in 8.0.

That said, it does kind of annoy me that even the basic MCH combo has become the Moon Knight "Random bullshit GO!" meme.

[KageTokage]

I was mostly bothered by the fact that they seemed to have done absolutely nothing with Flamethrower when it's had the dubious distinction of being one of the few offensive abilities where not using it is a DPS gain in most situations ever since the initial MCH rework removed its niche as a heat generator.

[sindriiisgaming]

I want mch to just get in the damn queen and pilot it. I want a meca even if it's just for the battery burner. Would look soooo freaking cool.

I've given up hope for mch to be the gunslinger class so I'm banking that on corsair when it finally happens

[CKNovel]

Not bothered with the lack of gunplay. MCH is a job that is supposed to use machines.
This also fills the fantasy in FPS like Doom/Wolfenstein where you use a variety of weapons instead of sticking to one gun.

I'm still bothered by some tools being "too automated":
The Automaton Queen remains a press and forget, she could be invisible and making no sound, she wouldn't remove anything from the current gameplay.
Wildfire remains a press and forget and just an "Hypercharge+", it also doesn't deal AoE damage.

Flamethrower is probably the weakest capstone skill and as worthy as an emote. Even if you actually try to gain DPS with it, you're highly dependend on server ping and might not gain any damages.
In dungeon, it's still the button "hold up I need to afk and get a coffee".

The changes are very good, the problem is what did not changed.

[MikkoAkure]

A lot of people complained about the old MCH attack animations back in the day being too boring so that’s why we got the heated versions with the jumping and summoning giant bullets that eventually became the default.

Then they decided to lean on the machine part of machinist like CK said and the abilities it has now may seem disjointed but they’re all classic abilities used by Edgar the machinist from FFVI.