Thread: 7.0 DRG Update: Why replace Spineshatter with a dash? Draggons are supposed to jump.

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Dragoons are supposed to backflip and throw their spears.

Originally Posted by RyuuZero

Even Jump doesn't feel like Jump anymore.. more like a Ranged CD, which is sad.
The Old Jump had this kind of weightiness that has been lost since the High Jump Upgrade

Same old story as with almost all other jobs, in an attempt to make it more convenient they slowly destroy what made the job distinct in the first place.

If Dragoons are supposed to jump, why is their jump cooldown so long?

Originally Posted by Arohk

If Dragoons are supposed to jump, why is their jump cooldown so long?

I mean we used to have more jumps that actually felt like jumps, but players (and raiders in particular) spent not a minute not whining about how the animation locks were "unfair" and "excluded them", so hey, they're all gone now.

Originally Posted by Carighan

players (and raiders in particular) spent not a minute not whining about how the animation locks were "unfair" and "excluded them"

It's funny when the raider strawman is used when it's usually not this group who complains about such a thing, and it wasn't in this case.

Originally Posted by Carighan

I mean we used to have more jumps that actually felt like jumps, but players (and raiders in particular) spent not a minute not whining about how the animation locks were "unfair" and "excluded them", so hey, they're all gone now.

animation locks where you can't move at all are trash, i hated that so much on Ninja in Shadowbringers, i even died a few times because of that.
But with Dragoon, it was a bit different, since it actually moved your character to the boss and back.

Originally Posted by Absurdity

But this requires said abilities to be flexible enough within your rotation to be shifted around and unfortunately neither of them were for at least two expansions, another negative of how rigid and formulaic our job gameplay is nowadays.

It's funny, but also makes sense: FFXIV is by now well old enough for all real problems the combat system is struggling with - including this one - to ultimately fall back to the flawed underpinning design where every single job is a "static rotation"-type. Even the supposedly proc-based ones (Bard, Dancer, Red Mage) have combat flows that while procs exist change extremely little in their layout from them, meaning that on the design level it's still all "static rotation".

And of course like you say, restrictive abilities can be beautifully integrated but not if their position in your rotation is static. They belong into jobs that are based on either a random element like a proc-based job or - more common in MMORPGs - into variable-flow combat jobs.

Maybe going into Life of the Dragon or using Litany could reduce the recast for some skills prone to drift by a few seconds?

Originally Posted by Carighan

It's funny, but also makes sense: FFXIV is by now well old enough for all real problems the combat system is struggling with - including this one - to ultimately fall back to the flawed underpinning design where every single job is a "static rotation"-type. Even the supposedly proc-based ones (Bard, Dancer, Red Mage) have combat flows that while procs exist change extremely little in their layout from them, meaning that on the design level it's still all "static rotation".

At the risk of repeating myself, proc based jobs used to be 1) more numerous in job ratio and 2) used to have actually a lot more rng involved.

- AST just lost all remaining rng this expansion, but even then the HW/SB version was a lot more rng based with actual control than the washed out everybody gets the same card we had in ShB/EW (with little to no control/agency over it to boot).
- BRD lost all dot proc rng in favor of a streamlined tick based repertoire system, and got "cheats" baked behind Barrage to ensure RA procs.
- DNC didn't lose rng per se but lost rng in terms of ratio to abilities, since everything new they get not only is static (DotD, Starfall, Last Step, etc) but also moved a lot of rng out of the burst window which has become a lot more static as a result with little to no triage left. Compare this to ShB burst that not only had to account for proc overwriting, but also melee range considerations...
- MCH lost all rng, where it was in reality one of the most rng DPS jobs of all in its GCD structure (with ammo agency).
- RDM is the only job that kept some manner of rng (a budget old mch ammo at home), but like DNC gets more and more fixed nukes introduced into it.
- BLM lost rng over time, which was extremely rng based in ARR, then a lot less in HW due to F4 replacing F1 spamm, and less and less in the expansions after by getting more and more control tools like sharpcast and paradox to generate those procs and guarantee them. Agency over rng is good and warranted, but not when it removes the little rng a job has left.
- MNK I guess stayed the same for the barebones ogcd rng, which I appreciate.

In short if you're a healer and loved rng, you're screwed. If you're a dps and love rng, all your options have been trimmed and you'll probably be told to just "go play BRD or DNC" even though it's shallow as it is.