I Was Looking Forward To Playing Pictomancer

[Asari5]

its a lvl 100 job with skills you've never seen before and designed to have squeezed as many skills into as little buttons as possible. with skills over skills over skills in the same slot... of course its gonna look very complicated on the first view.
i'm wondering how many of the people who wanted all skills squeezed into less buttons are happy with that or if a lot of them are too lazy or simply not able to keep an overview over such a merged skillview.

i have to say though i had no positiv expectatuons at all for this job, i've been skeptical of the whole theme of it.
and now i'm actually looking forward to it. to both new jobs actually. (this is the first time i cant wait to try the new jobs out, since i started to play ff14 in HW)
or i might just grasping at straws because i slowly lose the point for playing this game... i dont know

[LittleImp]

The apparent complexity is just superficial, and more a symptom of how poorly its mechanics are being communicated during its presentation.

Realistically, both Viper and Pictomancer will just be two more jobs that press the exact same sequence of inputs every pull, and the rotations will be solved for you by someone else by the time you reach endgame.

[AmiableApkallu]

Realistically, both Viper and Pictomancer will just be two more jobs that press the exact same sequence of inputs every pull, and the rotations will be solved for you by someone else by the time you reach endgame.

Just like (most) every other job in this game? That's more an indictment of encounters that follow a strict, fixed and predictable script.

[Taliriah]

Just like (most) every other job in this game? That's more an indictment of encounters that follow a strict, fixed and predictable script.

Yeah, and that's PvE in every mmorpg. For some reason, this is a game genre that cannot conceive of enemies reacting to what you do and trying to actively counter it. So instead of favoring a gameplay where you have to think on your feet and improvise with the tools you're given, you end up following a script just like the computer opponents are.

i'm wondering how many of the people who wanted all skills squeezed into less buttons are happy with that or if a lot of them are too lazy or simply not able to keep an overview over such a merged skillview.

This has nothing to do with reducing the number of buttons. For example you could design a caster class with hundred of different spells with just 5 buttons, where you'd dial in which spell you want by pressing those 5 buttons in a specific order (which incidentally is exactly what NIN's mudra system is)

[Asari5]

This has nothing to do with reducing the number of buttons. For example you could design a caster class with hundred of different spells with just 5 buttons, where you'd dial in which spell you want by pressing those 5 buttons in a specific order (which incidentally is exactly what NIN's mudra system is)

yes, like ninja mudras but on a larger scale. and there already are many people who dont play ninja because they dont want to learn how mudras work.

[Roda]

Any challenge seems to be derived mostly from maintaining cooldown alignment within your motif phases and burst, while having a little resource management mini-mechanic during your non-burst phases in the way of your color spells and palette shifting. Holy seems to be situational ammos you use for either mobility or weaving ogcds from your creature motifs? (something like SHB SMN egi assaults/ruin IV & other abilities, which I'm super down for seeing the return of that gameplay flow) While meteor seems to just be a finisher of sorts?

Here's a little infographic i slapped together from my analysis of the VOD(I'll probably spreadsheet out a mockup maybe rotation later~)

[CNitsah]

I feel like the real problem is elsewhere. With this "new jobs are max extension lvl minus 20" philosophy, you begin with a toolkit that's either far to big to play correctly without spending a fair amount of time on a dummy (which most players won't), either so streamlined it becomes painfully incomplete on lower lvl. With the new jobs beginning a lvl 80 that feeling is only gonna grow, Because at 80, most job already have a nearly complete toolkits. Older jobs teach you how to play your class progressively (and the game does not always do a good job at that), but for new job, you just get the bomb dropped at you. I think this has to somehow change. I can understand that people want play the new extension with the new job, but at the same time, do we want having a lvl 90 job with a toolkit worth of a 60 class with next expansion (it's too late for DT)?

[Taliriah]

I feel like the real problem is elsewhere. With this "new jobs are max extension lvl minus 20" philosophy, you begin with a toolkit that's either far to big to play correctly without spending a fair amount of time on a dummy (which most players won't), either so streamlined it becomes painfully incomplete on lower lvl. With the new jobs beginning a lvl 80 that feeling is only gonna grow, Because at 80, most job already have a nearly complete toolkits. Older jobs teach you how to play your class progressively (and the game does not always do a good job at that), but for new job, you just get the bomb dropped at you. I think this has to somehow change. I can understand that people want play the new extension with the new job, but at the same time, do we want having a lvl 90 job with a toolkit worth of a 60 class with next expansion (it's too late for DT)?

They already have the perfect tool in the game to teach people how to play a class from level 1 and gradually introduce abilities to the rotation: palace of the dead. They could have tutorial quest chains for new classes based on it.

[CNitsah]

They already have the perfect tool in the game to teach people how to play a class from level 1 and gradually introduce abilities to the rotation: palace of the dead. They could have tutorial quest chains for new classes based on it.

You mean the content only a small part of the community run because it's not worth the time. It's true that it exists, but unless you make it mandatory, nobody will do that. people will take the job at the lvl it's given and badly play in dungeons. as long it's dps, there is no problem, but we'll it's gonna a be lvl 90 heal that doesn't know how to use his kit, it's gonna be a fun ride. You cannot design something ignoring how most people will engage with it. And I can tell you, most people won't run PotD to learn their job. You give them a lvl that begins at lvl 80 they will at best read the skill description and go for it.

[Elkanah]

You mean the content only a small part of the community run because it's not worth the time. It's true that it exists, but unless you make it mandatory, nobody will do that. people will take the job at the lvl it's given and badly play in dungeons. as long it's dps, there is no problem, but we'll it's gonna a be lvl 90 heal that doesn't know how to use his kit, it's gonna be a fun ride. You cannot design something ignoring how most people will engage with it. And I can tell you, most people won't run PotD to learn their job. You give them a lvl that begins at lvl 80 they will at best read the skill description and go for it.

I mean-- since there's trusts now, all they have to do is pull single 3 mobs and learn as they go up to 99 lol. Which is (at this point) pretty similar to POTD without the randomness. The problem is the community lacking reading comprehensions to the job. I remember when NIN came out, and people didn't understand why using katon mudra fire and doton aoe were best in groups. This same issue happened with uhh... MCH too and not using aoes and just single target abilities on packs of 6 or more. It's not difficult if people actually learned how to play by reading what the skills did. Especially players who had max capped jobs, you'd THINK they'd have known about aoe's being significantly better. But they didn't use them at MCH30 on packs lol.