New scholar changes are not great

[rawker]

The fairy is a tool.
It is a means to an end for the military strategist. His supportive spells were lacking direct healing that's why they have fairies to aid them.

The fairy is a tool.
Level 3 Limit Break calls upon Seraph to aid the SCH to resurrect and fully heal

The fairy is a tool.
The SCH used to Rouse the fairy so its direct healing is more potent.

[RethDaron]

Agreed. I like Scholar because of the combat tactician aesthetic we had all the way through the jobs storyline. Magical girl transforming into an angel completely ruins the class fantasy.

I guess I'll look at Sage for Dawntrail. Never gravitated from Scholar outside of leveling White Mage for a pure healer because I loved not being just a 'mage' and getting up close for my AoE spamming on the go.

[Supersnow845]

The problem outside of the angel vs fairy thing is the fact that if you look at all SCH’s skills in the past and up till seraphism SCH maintained a very strong split in its identity, skills that procced off the fairy were fae themed and skills that came directly from the SCH were tactician themed, they never blurred that line (the closest was expedient having the butterfly motif but the skill was distinctly tactical themed)

This skill completely breaks that distinction, even if they changed the ugly angel to something like we become seraph the skill is still wrong because the SCH isn’t the fairy. The fairy is a tool, one of many the SCH has access to and the visual distinction is pretty much the last thing SCH has

[Tsurayu]

The problem outside of the angel vs fairy thing is the fact that if you look at all SCH’s skills in the past and up till seraphism SCH maintained a very strong split in its identity, skills that procced off the fairy were fae themed and skills that came directly from the SCH were tactician themed, they never blurred that line (the closest was expedient having the butterfly motif but the skill was distinctly tactical themed)

This skill completely breaks that distinction, even if they changed the ugly angel to something like we become seraph the skill is still wrong because the SCH isn’t the fairy. The fairy is a tool, one of many the SCH has access to and the visual distinction is pretty much the last thing SCH has

I see where you are coming from, but the fact that it's likely to be a buff on a two minute (or longer) CD kinda makes up for that issue in my eyes. It's not like you as the tactician SCH are being replaced by some Fae folk that is possessing you or something. I'm thinking of it more as a buff that Lily gives you from time to time to help aid you. If it was something that occurred frequently I could sympathize with that complaint, but given that it will probably only occur a handful of times during the average encounter I think it's just fine.

[Supersnow845]

I see where you are coming from, but the fact that it's likely to be a buff on a two minute (or longer) CD kinda makes up for that issue in my eyes. It's not like you as the tactician SCH are being replaced by some Fae folk that is possessing you or something. I'm thinking of it more as a buff that Lily gives you from time to time to help aid you. If it was something that occurred frequently I could sympathize with that complaint, but given that it will probably only occur a handful of times during the average encounter I think it's just fine.

I mean near all CD’s are 2 minutes that doesn’t change the current distinction, deployment is 90, chain and expedient are 120, tactics from the SCH, illumination and seraph are 120, whispering dawn and blessing at 60, fey skills from the fairy

If anything a 2 minute CD should be exciting enough you want it to come off CD faster (I know I’m gonna get mad dopamine from the landscape motifs on Pictomancer) not a “well it’s ugly but at least you only have to see it once per 2 minutes

[Tsurayu]

I mean near all CD’s are 2 minutes that doesn’t change the current distinction, deployment is 90, chain and expedient are 120, tactics from the SCH, illumination and seraph are 120, whispering dawn and blessing at 60, fey skills from the fairy

If anything a 2 minute CD should be exciting enough you want it to come off CD faster (I know I’m gonna get mad dopamine from the landscape motifs on Pictomancer) not a “well it’s ugly but at least you only have to see it once per 2 minutes

To be fair that's sounding more like a "you" issue at that point rather than any intrinsic issue with the class.

[Supersnow845]

To be fair that's sounding more like a "you" issue at that point rather than any intrinsic issue with the class.

Im just responding to your point that “it’s likely a 2 minute CD so at least you don’t have to see it very often”, it could be a 10 minute CD it still horribly clashes with established visual organisation of SCH’s design and I’m using other SCH skills to represent that

A “it’s a rare CD so it’s fine it’s ugly” is just really strange stance to take

[Eloah]

I'll keep my judgement over Seraphism until I see how it looks in game, but I will say I am not so impressed at the moment. SCH having the faerie/angel motif could work, if SE kept WHM in the nature category. But they keep mixing the two so it gets confusing. Seraph was fine for the LB, fine as a skill, but this feels a bit much.

Also the new lore we have from Aloalo regarding SCHs indicates they had other types of familiar they could summon. The first boss in the dungeon is basically a wooden Carbuncle. Plus I wouldn't mind some of these things is I could glamour the Seraph to become a Carbuncle as well. Why can't my Topaz Carbuncle turn into a Moonstone one, huh?

[Eloah]

Also something I just realized, because other annoyances blinded me, is the issue with the new DoT. Why gate it behind Chain. The whole reason you'd use an AoE DoT is for trash mobs, but why use Chain on trash? Unless we can finally deploy it.

[benji42]

Also something I just realized, because other annoyances blinded me, is the issue with the new DoT. Why gate it behind Chain. The whole reason you'd use an AoE DoT is for trash mobs, but why use Chain on trash? Unless we can finally deploy it.

this is the whole reason i made this thread. honestly sure the aesthetic stuff is annoying but i don't care *that* much, this new DoT just universally bad. i'm sure for button bloat it's locked behind chain, and it's going to share the same button, but they can do other stuff to fix that instead. we do not need another healing CD button to begin with so I'm a little confused why they decided to it this way.