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    Quote Originally Posted by rawker View Post
    got any lore to prove that?



    Lily is the fairy.... Eos and Selene are aspects of Lily. So your claim that Seraph is Lily, Eos and Selene, combined is faulty.
    We have never seen lily, only eos and selene. It is common sense that seraph is selene and eos combined.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    Seraph herself has absolutely no connection to SCH either so saying that a skill that has no relation to SCH’s aesthetic is relevant because it slightly connects to another skill that doesn’t fit SCH means nothing

    The LB3 means nothing because there is no proof it’s actually seraph and not just any old fairy. The lore books state nothing on this

    However let’s take the assumption that seraph is thematic and the LB3 is seraph, there is still an incredibly clear distinction between the fairy and the SCH, the fairy is fairy/angelic, the SCH is a tactician

    No matter which way you slice seraph this skill doesn’t match SCH
    Okay, and you think a tonberry transformation is better?
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    I might even vote for a SCH LB3 rework where apparitions of previous scholars merge into the WoL then explodes with restorative magicks fully healing and reviving KO'ed allies.

    Bottom-line, Seraph was forced. It's only now that people point it out when the egregiousness of transforming into an angelic figure when Seraphism was shown in the job trailer. SCH's should stick to the military strategist theme. The fairy is and will always be a tool to SCH. They are more than willing to remake a job from the ground up, I don't see them correcting the mistake of introducing angels to SCH.
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    It would be great if you could answer me on this.. I am waiting.

    Quote Originally Posted by Emmacleas View Post
    seraph is lily, eos and selene combined
    got any lore to prove that?

    Lily is the fairy.... Eos and Selene are aspects of Lily. So your claim that Seraph is Lily, Eos and Selene, combined is faulty.
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    I don’t necessarily have a problem with seraph being a big FAIRY that we just created by dumping a whole lot of aether into lily temporarily powering her up from a lore standpoint (even if rouse is better from a gameplay standpoint) because it still maintains the distinction that the fairy is the fairy and the SCH is the SCH. Seraph doesn’t really specifically give off any angel motifs except her name anyway

    It’s wonky regardless but seraph at least doesn’t break the core foundation of SCH’s visual lore. Seraphism does and in the worst way possible because it’s only link to the kit is the skill that already has the most tenuous foundation to the rest of the kit

    If SCH got something like temperance where it could be visually argued that it’s lily giving strength back to the SCH I personally would still have a problem with it but at least it could be lore justified. Seraphism takes the most tenuous skill, takes its most tenuous lore interpretation (that seraph is specifically an angel) then takes it to the absolute most extreme (traditional church angel motif). It just doesn’t fit

    Quote Originally Posted by Emmacleas View Post
    Okay, and you think a tonberry transformation is better?
    That’s not the point I’m making at all, but in answer to this question no I don’t want a tonberry transformation either because it doesn’t make any more sense than seraphism does
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    I am more open to this:
    1. We can only summon Lily
    2. We have cooldowns that changes Lily's aspect: Solar Aspect (Eos) and Lunar Aspect (Selene). These 2 separate buttons will be replaced depending on which aspect is pressed... So if I press Solar Aspect (Eos), Lily will flicker and changes visuals to reflect Eos then with magic of button replacement Solar will become Fey Blessing then Lunar becomes Fey Illumination... then if Lunar Aspect (Selene) is pressed, Lily will flicker and becomes Selene and then the buttons for will become... well.. whatever new abilities they can make.
    3. Then Rouse powers up the Lily so her healing is more potent.
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    The only feather SCH ever needed was a pen, most likely from a seagull ; seraph and whatever is linked to it is a fanfic ; no lore exists of it.
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    I'm getting 2nd hand embarrassment lmao.
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    i dont mind transformations, but it schouldnt look like white magic.... i probably would love a fairy transformation
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asari5 View Post
    i dont mind transformations, but it schouldnt look like white magic.... i probably would love a fairy transformation
    Seraphism does not look like white magic!
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