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Thread: Viper!

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    Arkadya Dravena
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    Viper!

    Coming into this LL I had mild curiosity and hadn't really been sold on the job at all. Post LL, my interest is Piqued. Just look at this:

    https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video...ETn.mp4?tag=12

    So speedy, so flashy. So... confusing? I still can't figure out what the sword gauge is actually doing, though the red pips under the sword seem to be used for a specific attack.

    Not saying I've been converted to viper, need to actually play it myself or at least see tooltips to piece together what's actually going on before committing like that. But it looks really cool and it seems like it's going to be pretty busy which I appreciate.
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    Larc Grumbles
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    It still looks like RPR.
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    Dru Hutton
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    No Idea about how Viper plays but I am so looking forward to the look haha so will give me the motivation to learn how to play it.
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    Makoto Hinata
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    Viper Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Arkdra View Post
    Coming into this LL I had mild curiosity and hadn't really been sold on the job at all. Post LL, my interest is Piqued. Just look at this:

    https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video...ETn.mp4?tag=12

    So speedy, so flashy. So... confusing? I still can't figure out what the sword gauge is actually doing, though the red pips under the sword seem to be used for a specific attack.

    Not saying I've been converted to viper, need to actually play it myself or at least see tooltips to piece together what's actually going on before committing like that. But it looks really cool and it seems like it's going to be pretty busy which I appreciate.
    If you look at the action bar its not that frantic, its just the character animations that give that impression.
    Gameplay wise it seems you have a lot of different options to choose from at any given time to continue your combos. If the choice arent completely obvious to make this could be interesting.

    Just hoping it wont devolve into "always press the buttons in this order to maximize dps".
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    Grainne Gothram
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    For viper I hope it has an extremely short GCD. Burst classes are mostly the most fun when you are forced to constantly press buttons to keep uptime, there is a lot of similarities to how reaper looks for now but I hope that the rotation is not as fixed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taliriah View Post
    If you look at the action bar its not that frantic, its just the character animations that give that impression.
    Gameplay wise it seems you have a lot of different options to choose from at any given time to continue your combos. If the choice arent completely obvious to make this could be interesting.

    Just hoping it wont devolve into "always press the buttons in this order to maximize dps".
    I dunno, the reawakening combo has continuation and there are multiple instances of mandatory double-weaves during the regular rotation seen throughout. Seems pretty frantic to me. Maybe not at nin levels, but definitely higher than sam, mnk and rpr, possibly drg.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ramiee View Post
    For viper I hope it has an extremely short GCD. Burst classes are mostly the most fun when you are forced to constantly press buttons to keep uptime, there is a lot of similarities to how reaper looks for now but I hope that the rotation is not as fixed.
    From what I found elsewhere, they have a haste buff to keep up most of the time that gives them a 2s gcd. The awakening combo appears to be 2s baseline and affected by this buff so it runs at 1.66 gcd.
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    Severian Lyonesse
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    This really just feels like Dragoon to me. Fastporting polearm stabber with a thing for reptiles. I wish it had like a treasure hunter sub theme to it. Or a trapper sub theme. Or a Corsair. Just something to give it more dimension, cuz this is just twenty different variations on slashy-slash.
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    Makoto Hinata
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    Viper Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Arkdra View Post
    From what I found elsewhere, they have a haste buff to keep up most of the time that gives them a 2s gcd. The awakening combo appears to be 2s baseline and affected by this buff so it runs at 1.66 gcd.
    Oh, so that's where huton went
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    Reinha Sorrowmoon
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    Reaper Lv 100
    Saw this on Reddit:





    Seems to me like it would have similarities to SAM (buffs), MNK (free flowing combo), GNB (continuation) and RPR (enshroud).

    Speculation about the rotation from the OP of that post:

    The loop after an opener is going to be

    - base combo x4 (40 gauge)
    - twinblade combo (10 gauge)
    - odd minute Reawaken
    - base combo x4
    - twinblade combo
    - even minute double Reawaken
    - repeat
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    Last edited by Reinha; 05-21-2024 at 04:00 AM.

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    Cassia Kaedhan
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    I don't exactly understand everything but it goes fast.
    It seems that there are multiple branching combos such as:
    A -> B -> B
    A -> B -> A
    B -> A -> A

    They all seems to have different effect, but it's quite difficult to say without having the hands on the job.
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