Please let SMN keep Resurrection

[Cheapshot]

Just a +1 that I don’t want SMN to lose resurrection regardless of what direction the job goes in the future. I really enjoy the extra utility. I enjoy being one of the jobs that can pick the healer up instead of having things be game over when they go down. Resurrection makes sense since we have phoenix as one of our summons.

If anything, I’d like to see physick transformed into something else. It’s a functionally useless button on SMN beyond a certain point. Id love to see a passive that swaps it for some other utility ability at higher level.

[chiekokurokumo]

+1 pro-Rez support.

I am a SMN main. I want Res to remain, unless it is replaced by a DPS buff, DOT, or some other healing phase. IIRC, the reason why SMN gets a DPS tax is due to mobility, not Rez, so if Rez goes, I would like something else.

I appreciate SMN rez being offered early in ARR. It made me feel like I was doing a variety of different jobs, which I have found to be unique to SMN. RDM doesn't get a rez until L64, so having SMN at lower levels doing rezzes is helpful for lower-level PVE activities (esp for casual players and new, slower gamers like myself).

There is also a hidden class fantasy for SMNers. If SMNers have a swiftcastrez macro, they can really help turn a raid around. Most people expect RDMs or Healers to do the work, and for the most part that's fine, but I've experienced on a variety of occasions the joy of being able to turn around a raid that went south. I was able to rez a healer who then used the LB3. It was really fun!

Without rez, what does SMN actually have? The Phoenix regen skills are nice to pop on a tank and stuff, but I feel that SMN has nowhere near the DPS that BLM has, especially without DOTs. If SMN has to lose REZ, please bring a DOT back for SMN so we have more stuff to do. Honestly, I worry that unless SMN gets something really incredible in terms of support or power to replace its rezzing abilities, it will be locked out by metas. Why have a SMN if you can get a BLM (high DPS) or RDM (better support)?

Thank you!

[Patesaupesto]

Without rez, what does SMN actually have?

Damages ? Like, a caster ? Mitigation ? Hots with phenix ?

I feel like there's only casual players asking to keep it

In late content the spell is totally impossible to use

I saw ONE GOOD USE on DSR P2 meteors, smn was mid and couldve raise someone on its tower mid, dude that's sooooooo specific


I guess the main issue is that most of casuals see rdm/smn as support and not dps, and play them to feel useful (why u no play healer)

I think that people like me should expect theyr group to accept there will be no rez from the caster for obvious reasons

[SeverianLyonesse]

Damages ? Like, a caster ? Mitigation ? Hots with phenix ?

I feel like there's only casual players asking to keep it

In late content the spell is totally impossible to use

I saw ONE GOOD USE on DSR P2 meteors, smn was mid and couldve raise someone on its tower mid, dude that's sooooooo specific


I guess the main issue is that most of casuals see rdm/smn as support and not dps, and play them to feel useful (why u no play healer)

I think that people like me should expect theyr group to accept there will be no rez from the caster for obvious reasons

This is such a dumb myopic take. If all you care about is hardcore efficiency, they might as well remove all flavor and differentiation and make every job play equally the same.

Players want resurrection kept on SMN because it is summoning a PHOENIX. Because that is the spell most associated with that summon. Otherwise, there would be no point in having Phoenix as part of SMN's kit, it could be replaced with literally any other DPS summon.

Resurrection's inclusion in raider's kits does not negatively affect them at all. At worst, it is an extraneous support skill that never sees use. At best, it is a rare clutch save for a run. Neither end of the spectrum impacts SMN's functionality in high end content; it is an ability included *solely* for flavor.

And I frankly don't care if the design of the game and Yoshi-P's public statements indicate that SMN may lose resurrection. If anything, that speaks to abysmally terrible job design on the part of the devs. Introducing a RESURRECTION summon in shadowbringers, a LEVEL 80 capstone, and having already had the opportunity to totally rework the job at level 90, only to totally revoke everything that makes it unique around level 100/110, only two expansions later, is terribly mercurial and lacking coherent creative vision.

This is one of the points on which the devs absolutely should listen to the filthy casuals on and quit cowtowing to the raider minority. After Solar Bahamut and Seraphism they clearly have been investing zero thought into the trajectory of the Arcanist jobs. Utterly embarrassing.

[Rudje]

I'm not a Summoner main (I do play it, just not as a primary job outside of an alt), but more than once I've been in sub-64 groups that have close calls saved by Resurrection. And those close calls are fun, I enjoy scrambling to keep the party up long enough to recover and get the clear in a way I don't when we just wipe because the healer(s) sampled floor. I don't hate wipes as much as some people do, but the tension of "can we recover" is very enjoyable and you don't get that with any other class below mid-Stormblood content.

Keep the res.

[ThaCa]

Removing resurrections from DPS roles is good move, all of them should be greedy DPS so we don't have to deal with buff stacking and the limitations that it brings to encounter design.

[Boblawblah]

aww, I liked having Resurrect It feels like it wasn't hurting anyone, and I can't imagine it was a must have in high level content. Or maybe it was, idk. I just liked being able to help out when the healer died in dungeons.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

I want BLM and soon PICTO to not be cucked out of prog because of their lack of raise. Remove it from casters please. As much as I understand how nice it can feel to help and rez when needed I don't think it outweighs the benefit for BLM and PICTO.

Caster being the one role where you need to prog on one job you may dislike to then swap back to the one you actually prefer is stupid. And for another if they are going to insist on keeping us running around for such prolonged periods they should remember we still have one hard caster left in the game right now.

[CNitsah]

I want BLM and soon PICTO to not be cucked out of prog because of their lack of raise. Remove it from casters please. As much as I understand how nice it can feel to help and rez when needed I don't think it outweighs the benefit for BLM and PICTO.

Caster being the one role where you need to prog on one job you may dislike to then swap back to the one you actually prefer is stupid. And for another if they are going to insist on keeping us running around for such prolonged periods they should remember we still have one hard caster left in the game right now.

I mean, BLM is loved right now without rez...

[DrForester]

I was so disapointed when he said it was staying. Lose it and give us our DPS back.