Please let SMN keep Resurrection

[Rowde]

I support the removal of resurrection IF they're doing it to finally separate ACN/SMN/SCH so that either SMN or SCH can move away from the Fester/Energy Drain Aether Charge derp

I will point out once again, that if you go to the Job Actions portion of the Lodestone, or view the Job Actions in game, the ONLY ability that is still actually shared between all three is Resurrection. All other actions that are "shared", SCH technically has a 'unique' version of that is SCH only.

HOWEVER, I'm fine with SMN getting raise back at a higher level... if it's Phoenix Pinion... or some other name tied into the Phoenix lore/identity

[CNitsah]

I know this thread is about keeping it, but I actually don't agree with it. I am a healer main, so I can understand the importance of raise in a prog setting, but I also understand how annoyed Red Mages and Summoners can get always being the "Res caster" than an actual DPS. They get punished by bad gameplay, and it shouldn't be on their shoulders to do something that belongs to a healer role, mainly. If I can find a middle ground... if they do keep the raise; it should have a heavy cooldown, something like the Blue Mage raise cool down. It shouldn't be easily accessible by an easy swiftcast in my opinion. That way, a raise from a Red Mage or Summoner is more tactical than just spamming it when someone KOs in the group.

I like that idea. maybe not a cooldown as long as the BLU, but yeah, put a 60 to 120 sec cooldown, so it's only used as a last resort if heals are both dead. but yeah, if SMN rez goes away, RDM has to go too. I don't know how Picto will fit into that, but removing it but not from the other, would create a meta where RDM is the rez mage (and some heal potency, but that's what the concept of RDM is), BLM is the heavy hitter, and SMN would have... Searing light.

[Cheapshot]

Just a +1 that I don’t want SMN to lose resurrection regardless of what direction the job goes in the future. I really enjoy the extra utility. I enjoy being one of the jobs that can pick the healer up instead of having things be game over when they go down. Resurrection makes sense since we have phoenix as one of our summons.

If anything, I’d like to see physick transformed into something else. It’s a functionally useless button on SMN beyond a certain point. Id love to see a passive that swaps it for some other utility ability at higher level.

[chiekokurokumo]

+1 pro-Rez support.

I am a SMN main. I want Res to remain, unless it is replaced by a DPS buff, DOT, or some other healing phase. IIRC, the reason why SMN gets a DPS tax is due to mobility, not Rez, so if Rez goes, I would like something else.

I appreciate SMN rez being offered early in ARR. It made me feel like I was doing a variety of different jobs, which I have found to be unique to SMN. RDM doesn't get a rez until L64, so having SMN at lower levels doing rezzes is helpful for lower-level PVE activities (esp for casual players and new, slower gamers like myself).

There is also a hidden class fantasy for SMNers. If SMNers have a swiftcastrez macro, they can really help turn a raid around. Most people expect RDMs or Healers to do the work, and for the most part that's fine, but I've experienced on a variety of occasions the joy of being able to turn around a raid that went south. I was able to rez a healer who then used the LB3. It was really fun!

Without rez, what does SMN actually have? The Phoenix regen skills are nice to pop on a tank and stuff, but I feel that SMN has nowhere near the DPS that BLM has, especially without DOTs. If SMN has to lose REZ, please bring a DOT back for SMN so we have more stuff to do. Honestly, I worry that unless SMN gets something really incredible in terms of support or power to replace its rezzing abilities, it will be locked out by metas. Why have a SMN if you can get a BLM (high DPS) or RDM (better support)?

Thank you!

[Rudje]

I'm not a Summoner main (I do play it, just not as a primary job outside of an alt), but more than once I've been in sub-64 groups that have close calls saved by Resurrection. And those close calls are fun, I enjoy scrambling to keep the party up long enough to recover and get the clear in a way I don't when we just wipe because the healer(s) sampled floor. I don't hate wipes as much as some people do, but the tension of "can we recover" is very enjoyable and you don't get that with any other class below mid-Stormblood content.

Keep the res.

[ThaCa]

Removing resurrections from DPS roles is good move, all of them should be greedy DPS so we don't have to deal with buff stacking and the limitations that it brings to encounter design.

[Boblawblah]

aww, I liked having Resurrect It feels like it wasn't hurting anyone, and I can't imagine it was a must have in high level content. Or maybe it was, idk. I just liked being able to help out when the healer died in dungeons.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

I want BLM and soon PICTO to not be cucked out of prog because of their lack of raise. Remove it from casters please. As much as I understand how nice it can feel to help and rez when needed I don't think it outweighs the benefit for BLM and PICTO.

Caster being the one role where you need to prog on one job you may dislike to then swap back to the one you actually prefer is stupid. And for another if they are going to insist on keeping us running around for such prolonged periods they should remember we still have one hard caster left in the game right now.

[CNitsah]

I want BLM and soon PICTO to not be cucked out of prog because of their lack of raise. Remove it from casters please. As much as I understand how nice it can feel to help and rez when needed I don't think it outweighs the benefit for BLM and PICTO.

Caster being the one role where you need to prog on one job you may dislike to then swap back to the one you actually prefer is stupid. And for another if they are going to insist on keeping us running around for such prolonged periods they should remember we still have one hard caster left in the game right now.

I mean, BLM is loved right now without rez...

[DrForester]

I was so disapointed when he said it was staying. Lose it and give us our DPS back.