Please let SMN keep Resurrection

[Minali]

I'd rather keep Resurrection, but maybe as a DPS it's utility should be altered along with RDM's to discourage stepping on the healer's toes. Back in ARR, you couldn't even use it during battle until level 28. Maybe that's what is called for, that swiftcast gets removed from DPS instead.

You do realize Swiftcast can be put to use with other casts as well...? I usually pair it with slipstream unless it's a new duty or the healer is new. Pre Slipstream I pair it with Ruby. And I'm sure BLM who has no raise in general has some nice uses for this as well. (Although I haven't played BLM a lot after reaching lvl 90, so take this with a grain of salt.)

[KisaiTenshi]

You do realize Swiftcast can be put to use with other casts as well...? I usually pair it with slipstream unless it's a new duty or the healer is new. Pre Slipstream I pair it with Ruby. And I'm sure BLM who has no raise in general has some nice uses for this as well. (Although I haven't played BLM a lot after reaching lvl 90, so take this with a grain of salt.)

It was just pointing out that "swiftcast" on healers tend to be exclusively used for the revive skills since only revive has a long cast. If a heal skill is on a DPS, either it needs to be immune from swiftcast, (Eg a oGCD skill with a longer CD) so that healers get the chance to use their skill first (sometimes it feels insulting to see a RDM raise someone while the healer hasn't had a chance to) but I'd rather see SMN/RDM still have the ability to do so because it still has utility in things like raids and trials

[EverQuest]

Considering I made this thread with the intent of showing my support for KEEPING Resurrection, I obviously completely disagree. Also nothing in the game has a "one use per run" kind of mechanic, so that's not really a viable suggestion. And swift is not necessarily in rotation, and that need changes at different levels - not everyone is going to be doing max level raids or Ultimates or even cares about doing max DPS at every moment. There is a whole lot of game before you even get to that point (not to mention roulettes), and some people never engage with that level of content even if they are at the level cap.

I mean the suggestion itself is viable they would obviously just have to add it to the game. Nothing prevents them from limiting rez. The easy obvious way to do it would set the CD to an absurd amount like 30 minutes.

[EverQuest]

Considering I made this thread with the intent of showing my support for KEEPING Resurrection, I obviously completely disagree. Also nothing in the game has a "one use per run" kind of mechanic, so that's not really a viable suggestion. And swift is not necessarily in rotation, and that need changes at different levels - not everyone is going to be doing max level raids or Ultimates or even cares about doing max DPS at every moment. There is a whole lot of game before you even get to that point (not to mention roulettes), and some people never engage with that level of content even if they are at the level cap.

I mean the suggestion itself is viable they would obviously just have to add it to the game. Nothing prevents them from limiting rez. The easy obvious way to do it would set the CD to an absurd amount like 30 minutes.

[Allegor]

Considering I made this thread with the intent of showing my support for KEEPING Resurrection, I obviously completely disagree. Also nothing in the game has a "one use per run" kind of mechanic, so that's not really a viable suggestion. And swift is not necessarily in rotation, and that need changes at different levels - not everyone is going to be doing max level raids or Ultimates or even cares about doing max DPS at every moment. There is a whole lot of game before you even get to that point (not to mention roulettes), and some people never engage with that level of content even if they are at the level cap.

As a casual, I have to agree here. Not everything in the game has to be tailored to high endgame content. If Raise is that useless to you, then you can remove it from your hotbar and pretend it's not there. If anything, we should be talking about the actual worthless button in SMN's kit /stares at Physick

I think the reason why its not just a matter of "delete it from your hotbar" is because Raise impacts RDM/SMN's damage quite a bit it's "taxed" in high end raids because of it's usefulness.
People will complain that body checks exist but that's actually in favour of rez as having a extra rez can be a advantage in keeping people up before that body check. ect.

You'd be right though not everything needs to be removed because it's not "useful" in high end raiding, I'm fine with caster rez but i would mind it becoming locked behind a longer cooldown.

That's true too, but SMN is also the caster with the highest mobility so it get taxed either way (tho I wonder if BLM getting Leyline adjust in DT would affect that).

Like, I get that people don't like to lose dps, but missing a single gcd to save someone isn't the end of the world either. If you told me straight up you're just selfish I'd give you a pass for honesty at least.

PS: general you, not you you.

[Rithy255]

As a casual, I have to agree here. Not everything in the game has to be tailored to high endgame content. If Raise is that useless to you, then you can remove it from your hotbar and pretend it's not there. If anything, we should be talking about the actual worthless button in SMN's kit /stares at Physick

I think the reason why its not just a matter of "delete it from your hotbar" is because Raise impacts RDM/SMN's damage quite a bit it's "taxed" in high end raids because of it's usefulness.
People will complain that body checks exist but that's actually in favour of rez as having a extra rez can be a advantage in keeping people up before that body check. ect.

You'd be right though not everything needs to be removed because it's not "useful" in high end raiding, I'm fine with caster rez but i would mind it becoming locked behind a longer cooldown.

[sindriiisgaming]

As a casual, I have to agree here. Not everything in the game has to be tailored to high endgame content. If Raise is that useless to you, then you can remove it from your hotbar and pretend it's not there. If anything, we should be talking about the actual worthless button in SMN's kit /stares at Physick



That's true too, but SMN is also the caster with the highest mobility so it get taxed either way (tho I wonder if BLM getting Leyline adjust in DT would affect that).

Like, I get that people don't like to lose dps, but missing a single gcd to save someone isn't the end of the world either. If you told me straight up you're just selfish I'd give you a pass for honesty at least.

PS: general you, not you you.

You can't just delete it. If you do Any endgame content and u refuse to res sm1 can report you and you will get banned. So we don't have a choice. This is why rdm/smn mains are quitting

[Rithy255]

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That's true too, but SMN is also the caster with the highest mobility so it get taxed either way (tho I wonder if BLM getting Leyline adjust in DT would affect that).

Like, I get that people don't like to lose dps, but missing a single gcd to save someone isn't the end of the world either. If you told me straight up you're just selfish I'd give you a pass for honesty at least.

PS: general you, not you you.

I mean if someone in prog is wasting their swift cast for slightly extra dps and/or refuses to rez because they will lose damage, I honestly think they're kind of being selfish and not thinking whats best for the party. Obviously if it's a loot, speed already cleared, or you don't think something wrong is going to happen you can use it.

at the end of the day Rez is by far the best utility a job can bring, it actually makes caster more interesting in "reasons to bring one over another" but a lot of people also dislike that a job has a clear advantage in some situations. Personally I like that rather then all jobs bringing the same thing on the table, but only to a certain extent as having one job clearly better and always used should be avoided.

Some people will understandably be aganist rez as they will lose out on damage in comparison to jobs without it, Others will be for rez because they want that utility to stand out and they enjoy it, neither are wrong but only one can be appeased to.

[Rikizza]

I think its good they remove it, maybe they actually make it fun to play again in return :3

[Bonoki]

For years, it's been evident that achieving both job fantasy and job balance in FFXIV is a challenge. They can't coexist for every job. If this is necessary for them to achieve both, then do it.