Another Bahamut? Why not Odin? (SMN 7.0 job action PLL feedback)

[CasterSvarog]

I do wonder if the Tension weather in the Shroud would count as being exposed to Odin's aether per lore?

Maybe? It feels like the kind of thing that would have different interpretations depending on the person. Especially because all primals do have their own unique weather condition in their trials/raid, but even non-primal bosses have it too.

Personally I lean towards no, if only because it might not be on a big enough scale like Bahamut/Phoenix were or even the aether released after a primal defeat.

[TabrisOmbrelame]

Maybe? It feels like the kind of thing that would have different interpretations depending on the person. Especially because all primals do have their own unique weather condition in their trials/raid, but even non-primal bosses have it too.

Personally I lean towards no, if only because it might not be on a big enough scale like Bahamut/Phoenix were or even the aether released after a primal defeat.

I think we can agree on the difference here about the Aether from Phoenix/Bahamut against Odin. Bahamut and Phoenix got such a large scale battle that the Aether that stayed in the environnement is quite massive. Odin is nothing in comparison so it would be a good explaination on why we won't be able to summon him.

Another question arise tho. Why Solar Bahamut ? I mean, we NEVER actually encountered that, and in the live letter they said it was some kind of Allagan Bahamut ? How are we able to summon that without even seeing it once ? That makes no sense to me.

[Sequora]

I think we can agree on the difference here about the Aether from Phoenix/Bahamut against Odin. Bahamut and Phoenix got such a large scale battle that the Aether that stayed in the environnement is quite massive. Odin is nothing in comparison so it would be a good explaination on why we won't be able to summon him.

Another question arise tho. Why Solar Bahamut ? I mean, we NEVER actually encountered that, and in the live letter they said it was some kind of Allagan Bahamut ? How are we able to summon that without even seeing it once ? That makes no sense to me.

Completely agree with this. They act like there’s going to be some in game explanation for it and the reality is that there won’t. They stopped doing job quests for non-new joke for two expansions now. At level 100, we’ll learn solar bahamut and that will be the end of it.

Chances are 8.0 will be no different. We’ll get some “super phoenix”.

[Ianmaru]

since y'all are now talking about solar bahamut and odin lore etc, I'll quote my previous reply to someone who thinks that the dev's decision is acceptable due to the lore:

And it makes no sense that we can't summon Odin nor Alexander because of the reason you mentioned, and yet can summon something we've never seen (nor even existed) before.
Sure you can make up story as to how its possible, in this case you think its because of dynamis yada yada which is plausible enough. but then if you can make up story to make summoning of solar bahamut is possible, why cant you also make up story to make summoning of odin possible?

Primal Odin is the sword, not the cavalry knight. the lore maker can simply make up a story how we manage to summon the Odin sword, and gameplay-wise we ourselves turn into the cavalry knight (just like RPR enshroud turns us into half voidsent) by wielding the odin sword and do one hit huge zantetsuken damage finisher style skill.

(click it for the full post & to see the post I was replying to)

[MagiusNecros]

SMN can't have Odin because muh Zantetsuken glamour on PLD/DRK/SAM and of course Zantetsuken on SAM in PvP.

In reality though SMN could have had a cool special quest with our player character recovering the sword. Instead of having the sword on the loose since 2.5.

I'm sure the justification for no Odin is because of Steel Reign. And if Steel Reign is on constant repeat then that makes Odin one of the few Primals the WoL never defeats.

[Flana]

In reality though SMN could have had a cool special quest with our player character recovering the sword. Instead of having the sword on the loose since 2.5.

I'm sure the justification for no Odin is because of Steel Reign. And if Steel Reign is on constant repeat then that makes Odin one of the few Primals the WoL never defeats.

We already did that. The sword can't possess us but it can posses anyone else nearby. A random wood wailer who happened to be nearby ended up stealing the sword and running off with it to become the new Odin. Even if the WoL defeats Odin, it can still pop back up until the actual sword itself is completely destroyed.

[MagiusNecros]

We already did that. The sword can't possess us but it can posses anyone else nearby. A random wood wailer who happened to be nearby ended up stealing the sword and running off with it to become the new Odin. Even if the WoL defeats Odin, it can still pop back up until the actual sword itself is completely destroyed.

Would like some closure to destroy the sword. Would be nice if they made a questline or sub plot out of it. But they probably forgot about it in the same vein as them introducing Black Rose and dropping it as soon as it was introduced.

[LynxDubh]

SMN can't have Odin because muh Zantetsuken glamour on PLD/DRK/SAM and of course Zantetsuken on SAM in PvP.

In reality though SMN could have had a cool special quest with our player character recovering the sword. Instead of having the sword on the loose since 2.5.

I'm sure the justification for no Odin is because of Steel Reign. And if Steel Reign is on constant repeat then that makes Odin one of the few Primals the WoL never defeats.

I would love to give that storyline closure. Plus it would give us an fun job quest. Win/Win in my book. Instead it's Solar Bahamut OC, don't steal.

[wereotter]

There is no reason you couldn't summon egi Shiva, just because the two people we've seen used their body as a catalyst doesn't mean you would have to do that.

it's part of the Eden quest that we HAD to use Ryne to summon Shiva else we would have just done it on our own.

But also if they're going to play fast and loose with the lore, regarding Alexander, one could argue we all were exposed to his aether when he broke out of his bubble in the Dravanian Hinterlands at the end of the 3.0 story. You don't have to actually go into the fights to be around him as the quests in the region have you going into his area of influence.

[Flana]

it's part of the Eden quest that we HAD to use Ryne to summon Shiva else we would have just done it on our own.

There is nothing in the Eden quest that said we had to use Ryne. We were going to do it the same way we had for every other primal up to that point. Ryne is the one that interrupted the process and wanted to incarnate as Shiva, because Ice is the most umbrally aspected element and she wanted to use it as a chance to try and get a better grasp on her powers. If you don't believe me you can check the quest yourself, its the first 5 minutes of this video: https://youtu.be/UUyPfIcIaU8

You can also check the questlog in game, it says the same thing. We were going to create a Shiva to destroy to revitalize Ice in the empty, but after hearing how Ysayle incarnated as Shiva, Ryne wanted to try the same thing. It was never part of the plan.