Thread: Another Bahamut? Why not Odin? (SMN 7.0 job action PLL feedback)

the magia board could have been a great addition to summoning. If only, we had egi versions for all the elements, have them trance so that the full version of the primal is summoned, then gave us favor... When a certain combination is made, we get to summon either Bahamut of Phoenix. Oh well..

Originally Posted by Khryseis_Astra

They also round out our elemental wheel… we have fire, earth & wind, with them we would have water, lightning and ice. And I like someone else’s idea of having astral/umbral phases as well, and possibly being able to choose which demi you use next. The basic rotation would remain the same most likely… demi, 3 gems, demi, 3 gems, demi… and adding summons that could reuse the gem buttons adds new actions without button bloat. It also leaves the door open to get other triads of summons in the future.

I understand that some might think adding Levi-Ramuh-Shiva doesn’t add anything to complexity. And I’m sure there are ways that more complexity could be worked into their inclusion. But even if it’s just having them there, with their models, their attacks, their animations, while essentially giving the same potencies as the original gem set so as not to upset the all-important 2 minute meta (sigh), that still adds a lot more variety and flavor to the job. It would make the job feel more complete to me at least. And definitely more fun!

Pictomancer is going to have a full elemental spell kit from the looks of it. I want that for Summoner too. The lore reasons why we can’t have mostly been explained away at this point, it wouldn’t take much to justify them. Obviously I’m one of those who likes the job design of new SMN, and I enjoy playing it, I just think they need to build on it further. We need more gems before demis!

We need a Shiva as a new form. Because you become Shiva, you don't "summon" it lore wise

Originally Posted by TabrisOmbrelame

We need a Shiva as a new form. Because you become Shiva, you don't "summon" it lore wise

fast forward to 8.0 and we get Channeler as a new job and it's basically monk but they get the summon transformation fantasy instead of stance/form changing and Smn gets a 3rd Bahamut wearing a little propeller hat.

don't feel like wading through 16 pages to see if this has already been mentioned

why no Odin? Because of how Odin exists in the lore of this game. It's nor a proper summon/primal but exists as a piece of cursed equipment. This is why every time you fight Odin in the shroud, it takes on the appearance of an actual player.

why no Shiva? Same answer, because of how the lore surrounding her summoning exists in the game. She required a human vessel to enable her summoning. This was true when Ysale invoked her in Heavensward and remained true when Rhyne invoked her on The First, and even there her influence was so strong that Rhyne had trouble controlling her.

I'd have preferred we get Alexander rather than a second Bahamut, but even then Alexander by the game's lore decided to deactivate himself to keep his power from being abused, so likely wouldn't be keen to answer our call to summon him

the only new summon is only a woke looking Bahamut.., but no new dot T_T
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after Searing Light, he mentioned a new skill / ability? anyone know what he ment?

Originally Posted by Shiroe

the only new summon is only a woke looking Bahamut.., but no new dot T_T
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after Searing Light, he mentioned a new skill / ability? anyone know what he ment?

A wind attack followup that you can press once every 2 minutes. Looks like AoE.

Only DoT SMN has now is Slipstream. Unchanged from EW.

Originally Posted by wereotter

don't feel like wading through 16 pages to see if this has already been mentioned

why no Odin? Because of how Odin exists in the lore of this game. It's nor a proper summon/primal but exists as a piece of cursed equipment. This is why every time you fight Odin in the shroud, it takes on the appearance of an actual player.

why no Shiva? Same answer, because of how the lore surrounding her summoning exists in the game. She required a human vessel to enable her summoning. This was true when Ysale invoked her in Heavensward and remained true when Rhyne invoked her on The First, and even there her influence was so strong that Rhyne had trouble controlling her.

I'd have preferred we get Alexander rather than a second Bahamut, but even then Alexander by the game's lore decided to deactivate himself to keep his power from being abused, so likely wouldn't be keen to answer our call to summon him

Honestly, you don't really need a summon that's already ingame. Could've picked the dozens of summons from the franchise yet to be featured in FFXIV, create lore for it (or not lol) and add as the 3rd Demi. Or heck, even a brand new summon for XIV could probably be better than what we'll get.

Originally Posted by wereotter

why no Odin? Because of how Odin exists in the lore of this game. It's nor a proper summon/primal but exists as a piece of cursed equipment. This is why every time you fight Odin in the shroud, it takes on the appearance of an actual player.

Odin is not a mandatory primal. Not that Summoner lore means jack all anymore but that would be 'why.'

Originally Posted by wereotter

why no Shiva? Same answer, because of how the lore surrounding her summoning exists in the game. She required a human vessel to enable her summoning. This was true when Ysale invoked her in Heavensward and remained true when Rhyne invoked her on The First, and even there her influence was so strong that Rhyne had trouble controlling her.

I'd have preferred we get Alexander rather than a second Bahamut, but even then Alexander by the game's lore decided to deactivate himself to keep his power from being abused, so likely wouldn't be keen to answer our call to summon him

This is not how Summoning works for Summoner the job. You are not summoning the entity itself but a replicant based on the aetheric pattern you collected when the primal died. There is no reason you couldn't summon egi Shiva, just because the two people we've seen used their body as a catalyst doesn't mean you would have to do that. Alexander, like wise, can't just decide to no-show. If you have the pattern you can create an egi of anything. Summons are also created by the summoner, so even in a normal summoning Alexander can't just say no since it would be a brand new existence independent of the one we fought anyways. It is also in flux of optional and confirmed completed by the WoL because of Shadowbringers.

But again, Summoner lore doesn't mean jackall anymore and is riddled with plot holes and inconsistencies now. Nothing matters once SE decided the Summoner capstone was going to be fanfic bahamut. That will be the reason people give, but remember that it is BS. The lore is an inconsistent mess and none of it matters anymore.

Originally Posted by wereotter

why no Shiva? Same answer, because of how the lore surrounding her summoning exists in the game. She required a human vessel to enable her summoning. This was true when Ysale invoked her in Heavensward and remained true when Rhyne invoked her on The First, and even there her influence was so strong that Rhyne had trouble controlling her.

I'd have preferred we get Alexander rather than a second Bahamut, but even then Alexander by the game's lore decided to deactivate himself to keep his power from being abused, so likely wouldn't be keen to answer our call to summon him

To be fair though, the only thing we as Summoners need is contact with a primals aether, because we fought against Shiva we came into contact with her aether, because of that it should be 100% possible to summon her like any other Egi would. Which is something I really wish they would do.

As for Alexander, and by proxy I suppose Odin too, they’re technically optional content. Even during HW it was made clear that we don’t have to fight bahamut to summon him, pretty much everyone came into contacts with his aether during the calamity. Same with Phoenix, who’s aether basically follows Bahamuts. Unless you’re they make those raids/trials required I don’t see them making Demi-Alexander for a good long while.

Edit: got beaten to the punch

Originally Posted by CasterSvarog

To be fair though, the only thing we as Summoners need is contact with a primals aether, because we fought against Shiva we came into contact with her aether, because of that it should be 100% possible to summon her like any other Egi would. Which is something I really wish they would do.

As for Alexander, and by proxy I suppose Odin too, they’re technically optional content. Even during HW it was made clear that we don’t have to fight bahamut to summon him, pretty much everyone came into contacts with his aether during the calamity. Same with Phoenix, who’s aether basically follows Bahamuts. Unless you’re they make those raids/trials required I don’t see them making Demi-Alexander for a good long while.

Edit: got beaten to the punch

I do wonder if the Tension weather in the Shroud would count as being exposed to Odin's aether per lore?