Thread: They're thinking about job identities for 8.0

Originally Posted by kuroashi_sanji

I may be wrong, but I remember Yoshida saying something like this in the EW media tour: "Many people are asking for HW job design, but let's continue with ShB design", not with those exact words, but yeah, they heard our feedback but chose to ignore it for the sake of new players I guess.

They did say that, yes, in a keynote or live letter. They acknowledged some people wanted 3.0 job design but were happy with where they got it in 5.0 and wanted to do more of it in Endwalker.

Originally Posted by kuroashi_sanji

I may be wrong, but I remember Yoshida saying something like this in the EW media tour: "Many people are asking for HW job design, but let's continue with ShB design", not with those exact words, but yeah, they heard our feedback but chose to ignore it for the sake of new players I guess. So what's the point of giving feedback if they're going to completely ignore it?

Goes to show how out of touch Yoshida is, and that he isn't that great of a director/producer that the people in this community try to make him out to be. Albeit it was smart idea to use WoW as a base for Realm Reborn (+HW and SB), but when trying to make the game his own, look how bland and awful the systems have become over the last two expansions. A MMORPG that has neither the MMO nor the RPG elements any longer. He claims they are going to try to back the MMO experience, but they haven't really done a great job implementing any systems he's talked about thus far.

I very much doubt that they will honor those words in the future. I don't think this job identities rework will actually happen, sad but true.

edit: What I mean is, in the pre-EW they recognized that a lot of players were unhappy with the battle design, so I would imagine that if they really wanted to improve the job design, they would have done it by now in DT, or at least they would be taking some steps in that direction. So, I would say don't expect it to happen in 8.0.

They'll most likely try to walk it back or blame the community for having "too much expectations" again. Only way a combat system rework/job design rework will be believable is if announced they have hired on another two dozen or so developers to work on it, and maybe ship off the current ones somewhere else cause they have no idea what they're doing.


At the end of the day CBU3 is a part of Square Enix, and Square Enix wouldn't be Square Enix without making bad decisions.

Originally Posted by MisterNublet

They'll most likely try to walk it back or blame the community for having "too much expectations" again.

Even more reason then to be transparent and communicate with your audience about “identity” and what it means to the designers. Honestly, I would be very tolerant and open minded with Dawntrails continuation of simplicity if the development of job identity were an ongoing, long term community “effort” like how the graphics update has largely been. Show progress, discuss ideas, and be accepting of feedback. If they took that approach early on, then I’d be entirely happy to accept Dawntrail for now. Well… assuming that progress was actually bearing fruit, or at least potential given an openness to feedback.

Im in a mix there, I like the new summoner, I agree that could have a bit more complexity, but love the design of feeling like a summoner instead of a dot mage, still hate that our upgrade is the pictomancers fanfic so I do not like being a "bahamut" mage

I think the reality is that they learned the hard way that they cannot do class changes "piecemeal" - otherwise meta's form and classes fall behind others. I see DT as a "Hard reset" as the DT classes remind me more of ARR without attribute points and cross classing skills. They are leveling out the classes because if we see a Xpack after Dawntrail I suspect classes are going to drastically alter - but to do that change in production means flattening the classes first sadly.

I called out the tank changes back in EW when they began tweaking potencies - I would love to see some sort of rat-tail mechanic with the evolution of jobs into a more complex gameplay design for those that want to min-max which is really what I think people want but at the same time having the base jobs still be able to clear the content if you know the fight and are putting in a modicum of effort.

Originally Posted by kuroashi_sanji

I may be wrong, but I remember Yoshida saying something like this in the EW media tour: "Many people are asking for HW job design, but let's continue with ShB design", not with those exact words, but yeah, they heard our feedback but chose to ignore it for the sake of new players I guess. So what's the point of giving feedback if they're going to completely ignore it?

I very much doubt that they will honor those words in the future. I don't think this job identities rework will actually happen, sad but true.



edit: What I mean is, in the pre-EW they recognized that a lot of players were unhappy with the battle design, so I would imagine that if they really wanted to improve the job design, they would have done it by now in DT, or at least they would be taking some steps in that direction. So, I would say don't expect it to happen in 8.0.

I'm curious about this actually, would you have the excerpt or the source that I could check out?

This is the constant FFXIV scam: keep paying, and next expansion will fix it! Healers have been hearing that for how many years now?

If you enjoy the current game, play. Otherwise, find a more enjoyable hobby. Or just skip an expansion and pay for the boost.