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  1. #21
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    Kaurhz's Avatar
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    Asuka Kirai
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    I only really play casually for the most part, but it is pretty nasty how alike everything is, and how alike they're making everything.

    I honestly think if they see it as a concern then it shouldn't really be a question of "Let's discuss this in 8.0" -- They need to really get the ball rolling with it now and to try and be more in touch with the general community -- It was refreshing to ask for thoughts regarding the appearance of characters etc., (e.g., with Miqo'te fangs) - But it's a shame they aren't really extending that same courtesy to other facets of the game.

    Rather than going "This is our philosophy" -- "This is what is going to be our decision, so just put up" -- They should be thinking about it like such, IMO:

    "This is our philosophy/goal with jobs" >> "Here's some ideas we've had about them" >> "What do you think of the different ideas" -- It doesn't even need to too extensive, but something just to extend that courtesy, and gather ideas, and see the reception behind those ideas... Rather than channeling every decision make process into that philosophy to the point of borderline not-needed or unnecessary. If they took the path, put their foot down to a point, then they would have realized that what they were trying to accomplish was arguably already met 7 years ago.
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  2. #22
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    Saraide Derosa
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    Odin
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valence View Post
    So apparently we'll have to wait for 3 more years until we get a single consideration for actual job flavor?

    Is this for real? You couldn't do that for this expansion?

    Meanwhile everything is simplified in order to remove any failure state (notably gauge costs for bursts among other things).
    Cant wait for them to say "we'll be pushing this back to 9.0" at the job action trailer for 8.0. Please look forward to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orinori View Post
    Aren't you the same Saraide who makes every savage pf blacklist you because you can never do a mechanic correctly and constantly causes enrage wipes? Pretty ironic to read this lmfao

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    Saika Kinoshita
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    imagine unironically telling people to just wait two-three years for maybe something better.
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  4. #24
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    Last Starfighter
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oizen View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Wyssahtyn View Post
    imagine unironically telling people to just wait two-three years for maybe something better.
    Yep, it's completely fair to take what SE's says with a huge grain of salt. For all we know SE could just end up walking back their statement in the future lmao.
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    Last edited by Swordsman; 05-17-2024 at 03:56 AM.
    The Legends of the Titanmen lives on, a shining example of the power of compassion and the ability of people to make a difference in the world. A reminder that even in the darkest of times, there is always hope, as long as there are heroes like the Titanmen who dare to do good deeds in Eorzea.

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    O'ssu Mecia
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    Thats cool, what about the 2 expansions worth of over simplifications.
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  6. #26
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    Zira Zira
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    We went from "Please unsub during the content drought" to "skip this filler expansion until we fix jobs by 8.0"
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  7. #27
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    Ogru Magnataraxia
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    Extremely discouraging to know they aren't even going to be taking any steps to mix-up job gameplay for another 2 years. People have been sitting on issues with various jobs since ShB being told to wait another 2 years is so utterly demoralising, my godddddddd
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  8. #28
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    Aelin Ashriver
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    I was disappointed by this when Yoshi P announced they will be focusing only on encounter design this expansion and not the jobs. So I was not expecting a big overhaul for DT for the jobs. I am overall happy with what I have seen having gone in with that expectation, esp card changes on ast. I look forward to 8.0 making things feel less like clones of one another, this is esp prevalent in the tanks and healers. I would be fine with certain jobs bein a better OT than MT etc for example.

    We know 14 devs are more cautious and SE don't reinvest in the game as much as we might like so CBU3 resources are not unlimited. Wouldn't shock me if they want to see how we handle this new style of encounter before introducing sweeping job changes. They might have felt doing both in one expac could risk overwhelming the playerbase.
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  9. #29
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    Saying that they're thinking about 8.0 when 7.0 isn't even out is so disconnected lol. What happens then ? Everybody take a break for the next 3 years while they figure out "job identity" ? Job identity that many other games would progressively push forward, release and adjust as time goes on so that you're not stuck with the same bs for years.

    At least pvp has excellent gameplay, why do they just not progressively port over some of their best ideas from there ??
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  10. #30
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    Alexia Kusanagi
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    Bard Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Teno View Post
    Saying that they're thinking about 8.0 when 7.0 isn't even out is so disconnected lol. What happens then ? Everybody take a break for the next 3 years while they figure out "job identity" ? Job identity that many other games would progressively push forward, release and adjust as time goes on so that you're not stuck with the same bs for years.

    At least pvp has excellent gameplay, why do they just not progressively port over some of their best ideas from there ??
    You do know they plan ahead right any mmo is probably working on the roadmap or planned content goals for the next expansion before the current is out.. it’s why they have to lock in design decisions early so basically how it ‘should’ work is feedback here won’t be addressed likely till 8.0. Think about it people complained during EW but by that time they already said jobs aren’t going to change much for dawntrail this was stated they’re just adding or tweaking the existing. 8.0 I can see a stormblood combat overhaul situation where the Meta could go and some wider changes.. especially if they don’t add anymore jobs… we have enough now just add identity to the existing pool.
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