Thread: They're thinking about job identities for 8.0

Originally Posted by Valence

So apparently we'll have to wait for 3 more years until we get a single consideration for actual job flavor?

Is this for real? You couldn't do that for this expansion?

I think this is an unfortunate consequence of tying "major" job changes to expansions, and the long development cycles for expansions.

1. Developers release X.
2. Players provide feedback on X, while developers have already started work on X+1.
3. Developers release X+1.
4. Players complain feedback on X was ignored, while developers have already started work on X+2 and are taking into account the feedback on X.
5. …

Originally Posted by Rithy255

Funny thing is good job gameplay ENHANCES fight design, redoing a fight on a different job should be fun and make the fight somewhat fresh, but now once you've done the fight, it becomes stale more quickly even if you try to play something else.

Also fun/good job design led to normal content being more bearable and fun.

Combo actions being removed into one button, Mnk/drg/nin changes, a lot of tanking changes everything just why? Do we really need a easier Endwalker job design wise?

The combo merging in specific, I'm okay with, because how it is - that's a shallow way to complexify something - it's a test of your hand's dexterity rather than your capacity to think on the run (which makes sense for MNK's decision making currently). I'm still neutral about everything else because I need to see what exactly are those 'new encounters' they're planning, assuming is something more distinct than we got in Endwalker.

Originally Posted by Valence

So apparently we'll have to wait for 3 more years until we get a single consideration for actual job flavor?

Is this for real? You couldn't do that for this expansion?

Meanwhile everything is simplified in order to remove any failure state (notably gauge costs for bursts among other things).

My Honest Reaction:


I guess I'll just do the story, do a few stuff here... and log off until new patches... I didn't have my hopes up anyways lol.

Listening to this live letter was so painful and depressing that I have lost any desire to play DawnTrail.

Zero faith that the current job team could even pull off a decent job changes for 8.0, they obviously have no idea what they're doing.

Originally Posted by Roda

It hurts real bad, but it's expected since the graphical update was likely the more important thing to budget development time for.

Hopefully the encounter designs can prove to be more interesting than the ol' "do a dance then body check" routine we've kind of gotten stuck in.

I'm really trying to imagine how, but I'm failing so far. I don't see what's left of the battle system to allow for anything else...

At best, with a lot of copium, we'll get cool engaging fights like phantom train...

I agree with the sentiment in the original post here. I am disappointed we have to wait, and disappointed that jobs seem to somehow be simplified even further in some cases (Dark Knight Living Shadow no longer costs Blood? Less gauge spenders with less weaving because for some reason Blood Weapon and Delirium are the same?)

Originally Posted by Valence

So apparently we'll have to wait for 3 more years until we get a single consideration for actual job flavor?

Is this for real? You couldn't do that for this expansion?

Meanwhile everything is simplified in order to remove any failure state (notably gauge costs for bursts among other things).

You have to understand. They need something for 8.0 hype.

So we have to wait 3 more years for tanks to finally get their identity back??

I've been just coping with AST, my favorite job keep getting dumb and dumber every single friggin expansion.
It's just depressing now looking at my globes collection.