Forced aesthetic changes should not exist

[Turtledeluxe]

Except from what people have been saying its not just the fact that its forced, thats just one aspect of why people don't like it.

Idk, I just see the term a lot here. And what I interpret it to mean is "I don't like this, please add a toggle" or something similar. And the post itself does say this to be fair.

We can argue until the cows come home how or why forced transformations are bad for each specific job that decides to implement them (currently only two, who knows if they will expand this to other jobs in the future). My argument is that the entire CONCEPT of hijacking a player's character model is bad at the base level.

To be honest, I find it hard to articulate what has me so curious. I guess what I'm thinking is normally wouldn't we just say "Hey, these transformations are bad, please make them optional"? The addition of agency is just unusual to me.

You're even saying "hijacking". It just feels very strong when all we really need is a toggle.

[Mihka]

To be honest, I find it hard to articulate what has me so curious. I guess what I'm thinking is normally wouldn't we just say "Hey, these transformations are bad, please make them optional"? The addition of agency is just unusual to me.

You're even saying "hijacking". It just feels very strong when all we really need is a toggle.

I use strong language when discussing things I have strong opinions about, particularly when those words effectively condense multiple aspects of how I feel into a much more concise package.

I could say "Abilities that replace a player's character model - which is often carefully glamoured after hundreds of hours to create a specific aesthetic style that is in line with the player's desired image of themselves and expression of their class identity - with a model that has a set in stone aesthetic seriously undermines character agency in the way they are perceived and the way they experience and express their job identity, which are very important factors in this game due to the high emphasis on role playing and the social aspect of the game".

Or, I can condense the vast majority of that sentiment into "hijacking the player's character model", which effectively conveys my dislike of the system and the way it intrusively alters the job identity with no regard for a player's character aesthetic.

As Roda said; any developer worth their salt should be capable of reading feedback and distilling it for useable information. Though, I would clarify this is usually filtered through a good community management team, whose job is to make sure the spirit of feedback reaches developers without the need for developers to spend their development time dealing with mountains of player noise every day.

[Turtledeluxe]

I use strong language when discussing things I have strong opinions about, particularly when those words effectively condense multiple aspects of how I feel into a much more concise package.

I could say "Abilities that replace a player's character model - which is often carefully glamoured after hundreds of hours to create a specific aesthetic style that is in line with the player's desired image of themselves and expression of their class identity - with a model that has a set in stone aesthetic seriously undermines character agency in the way they are perceived and the way they experience and express their job identity, which are very important factors in this game due to the high emphasis on role playing and the social aspect of the game".

Or, I can condense the vast majority of that sentiment into "hijacking the player's character model", which effectively conveys my dislike of the system and the way it intrusively alters the job identity with no regard for a player's character aesthetic.

As Roda said; any developer worth their salt should be capable of reading feedback and distilling it for useable information. Though, I would clarify this is usually filtered through a good community management team, whose job is to make sure the spirit of feedback reaches developers without the need for developers to spend their development time dealing with mountains of player noise every day.

Yes. To quote myself:

That doesn't in any way make the feedback invalid or even weaker. It just feels almost distracting and redundant to say. For example

"The job transformations are a horrible concept and should be optional."
"The forced job transformations are a horrible concept and should be optional."

Both things communicate the same thing, but one makes it worse by adding in this word. That's how it seems to me.

It's really just this. I don't find it to be concise, or condensing. But you do you.

And it's like you said, developers have a responsibility to interpret the feedback in a way most useful to them.

I think your posts indicate that your very last concern is being "concise" and in fact, you're here to troll.

[Mihka]

It's really just this. I don't find it to be concise, or condensing. But you do you.

Then perhaps you should expand your vocabulary and not take everything at face value /shrug