Job trailer discussion

[Ephremjlm]

My only complaint and feedback that I have now is the only real disappointment I have with the trailer; summoner.

I'm one of the few players that actually adores the new summoner. I really disliked the previous warlock wow ripoff dot mage, and that's exactly what it was - if I'm not mistaken the devs / yoshi admitted that summoner was just a final fantasy reflavor of another job from another game *cough*warlockwow*cough*. That ISN'T summoner. I feel bad for those previous summoners that loved that job, but asking for the summoner job to be rerolled back to that NOT summoner job isn't the answer. The answer is to ask for a new debuffer job instead.

However, I do agree the job is very basic. I really enjoy this gameplay b/c it suits my playstyle - I like simple! I don't like everything simple, but I do like the fun of getting to actually see the boss and moves b/c I've the rotation so on point. Still, seeing how simple smn is, I was absolutely certain the job would be built on in the next expansion. Well, it doesn't seem to be the case.

CRITICISM/FEEDBACK: I don't want Summoner to become a Bahamut mage. Yes Neo-Bahamut is cool, /rollseyes I mean.. "solar" bahamut. However, we have Bahamut! We don't need another Bahamut! What we need is Shiva, Ramuh, Alexander, Leviathan, Titania, ANIMA!!! I know devs are terrified of button bloat, then give us these summons over Ifrit / Titan / Garuda once we're in Phoenix phase - or make them finishers, or make them OGCDs.

RANT: I can't agree more with Yoshi's desire to make summoner an actual Final Fantasy summoner. It's always been my favorite Final Fantasy job. When I was kid one of the most exciting things in all the Final Fantasy games I played was to get the new summon and watch the cutscene. So, I have no idea why Yoshi doesn't follow through with that design. Sure, add new ffxiv unique summons, but give us some of the class ones first. I want Leviathan's tidal wave, I want Ramuh's judgement bolt, I want Shiva's diamond dust, I want all of those summons! I don't care if I have 24 buttons to push - let me slot them like materia or something- I don't know, just give me my summons please.

So far this is the best response I have read on this. I was really hoping for like an anima ultimate summon ability too. That said i thought the most logical thing would be to finish Summoner by doing exactly what you said, make the bahamut phase titan, garuda, and ifrit, while making the pheonix phase shiva, leviathan, and raumuh.

Buuuuuuuuuuuuut here we are. Definitely felt underwhelming.

[Destati]

Extremely unhappy with Scholar's forced transformation. If we don't have TOS-abiding ways to disable this, the job is completely dead to me honestly, and it's been the main job I've played since leaving ARR and what I've raided on every savage tier I've played. I love the idea of a tactical combat medic, but I think Square has forgotten the job's entire lore by this point. I'm actually pretty livid about it.

I don't really touch SCH but dang the transformation looks.... pretty bad. And I imagine like RPR's Enshroud, it will also hide hair and unique racial features too (which is something I already don't like about Enshroud). But at least Enshroud has an otherworldly feel about it, SCH's transformation looks pretty plain. Immediately reminded me of that Christmas choir glam from a few years back.

[Luluya]

I thought the SCH transformation couldn't be as bad as some of these complaints made it out to be, so I checked out the trailer myself...

It's so much worse. I thought it would at least be some sort of incorporeal glowy form but no, it just replaces your outfit with a white gown with some costume angel wings attached?

Even regardless of the fact its not fitting the job, it just looks bad.

[Boblawblah]

Reaper and Red mage: not sure if it's new because I don't play them but I love the portal launching above enemies that shoot out projectiles, very cool

Summoner: eh...another Bahamut? Not a fan.

Viper: slash slash slash! seems pretty boring.

Dark Knight: someone said something about a transformation? What is it?

[Platinumstorm]

I am posting my unwanted feedback as well. Unlike many people here, I give zero cares about damage output - I just want a complicated rotation and effects that I like. I also don't know how to identify many old moves versus current moves.

Winners on graphics:
Red Mage [that crystal move is wow], AST [overall beautiful presentation], Reaper [pretty neat moves - the giant orb explosion made DRKs cry], I'll put Viper in here - the moves are unique and bright, I'm going to put Monk up here - typically one of my least favorite classes, their moves look good. I have decided to include Pictomancer because of how ridiculous it is. The ultimate move is lol.

Losers:
Dragoon [Giant cannon of light], Bard [I main Bard, new bloodletter looks great, but I hate that we got a giant cannon of light., White Mage - I'm not even sure what the identity of a White Mage is now - are they Rosa, are they Aerith - music definitely was Aerithish; I just didn't think they had enough to make them stand out? Ninja - feels like it was was just outright ignored for viper and monk - even looks slow next to the Viper.

[HikariKurosawa]

Midare setsugekka turned ugly. Imagine they changed fel cleave into some abomination of an animation. Don't mess with perfection.

[Arkdra]

Midare setsugekka turned ugly. Imagine they changed fel cleave into some abomination of an animation. Don't mess with perfection.

Hard disagree, new midare rules.

[Jeeqbit]

Changes aside, I think it wasn't the best job actions trailer I've seen. Shadowbringers and Endwalker's ones were by far the best ever. Is was "ok".

[HikariKurosawa]

Hard disagree, new midare rules.

I could maybe agree if they didn't have the gaudy swords in the ground, but also it's just not a good animation in comparison. The original midare is an upward diagonal draw slash that spins into a horizontal slash in one smooth motion. It looks like a really cool secret technique. The new one has busy aura swords and is just 3 consecutive slashes that are completely unlinked. It has lost its identity. It doesn't even feel like an iaijutsu attack anymore after the first cut. We go from something extremely elegant and understated yet heavy, into some busy mess that is completely overstated.

[KageTokage]

I'm not really a fan of how they seem to be doubling down on just giving jobs follow-up actions to their one/two minute cooldowns.

Stuff like SGE's AoE DoT and BLM's new fireball that can be used more liberally are what I was hoping to see more of.