Job trailer discussion

[SigmarrIrenesch]

"Astro's cards are no longer random."

Lame, boooo. Tomato tomato tomato I'm throwing tomatoes.

[Rekh]

They should really have 2 versions of astro; one for baby-casual content like 99% of the game where the cards would be random using the new system, and a savage-ultimate version where every card's predictable.

[Rekh]

My only complaint and feedback that I have now is the only real disappointment I have with the trailer; summoner.

I'm one of the few players that actually adores the new summoner. I really disliked the previous warlock wow ripoff dot mage, and that's exactly what it was - if I'm not mistaken the devs / yoshi admitted that summoner was just a final fantasy reflavor of another job from another game *cough*warlockwow*cough*. That ISN'T summoner. I feel bad for those previous summoners that loved that job, but asking for the summoner job to be rerolled back to that NOT summoner job isn't the answer. The answer is to ask for a new debuffer job instead.

However, I do agree the job is very basic. I really enjoy this gameplay b/c it suits my playstyle - I like simple! I don't like everything simple, but I do like the fun of getting to actually see the boss and moves b/c I've the rotation so on point. Still, seeing how simple smn is, I was absolutely certain the job would be built on in the next expansion. Well, it doesn't seem to be the case.

CRITICISM/FEEDBACK: I don't want Summoner to become a Bahamut mage. Yes Neo-Bahamut is cool, /rollseyes I mean.. "solar" bahamut. However, we have Bahamut! We don't need another Bahamut! What we need is Shiva, Ramuh, Alexander, Leviathan, Titania, ANIMA!!! I know devs are terrified of button bloat, then give us these summons over Ifrit / Titan / Garuda once we're in Phoenix phase - or make them finishers, or make them OGCDs.

RANT: I can't agree more with Yoshi's desire to make summoner an actual Final Fantasy summoner. It's always been my favorite Final Fantasy job. When I was kid one of the most exciting things in all the Final Fantasy games I played was to get the new summon and watch the cutscene. So, I have no idea why Yoshi doesn't follow through with that design. Sure, add new ffxiv unique summons, but give us some of the class ones first. I want Leviathan's tidal wave, I want Ramuh's judgement bolt, I want Shiva's diamond dust, I want all of those summons! I don't care if I have 24 buttons to push - let me slot them like materia or something- I don't know, just give me my summons please.

The fascination cub3 has with bahamut is unhealthy. We get it, he's the strongest dragon, blah blah blah; but that's not what most people love about summoner jobs in rpgs; it's not about which summon is strongest, it's about options. If the option is always tilted to choosing the same one it just because a "bahamut mage" for example; as that has become the emphasis of summoner.

[Rolder50]

Yoshi-P out here saying they're going to work on job identity in 8.0. So they realize it's a problem but aren't doing anything about it for years. Okay.

[GrimGale]

"Astro's cards are no longer random."

Lame, boooo. Tomato tomato tomato I'm throwing tomatoes.

What the heck get your own character Aesthetic.

[SigmarrIrenesch]

What the heck get your own character Aesthetic.

Brother???

[Rekh]

Yoshi-P out here saying they're going to work on job identity in 8.0. So they realize it's a problem but aren't doing anything about it for years. Okay.

Not just years, 4 years minimum if the current length between expansions holds true.

[E4EO]

GNB looks like it'll survive DT, just seems like they're adding a new continuation AOE and combo, the new AOE is a welcome addition.

However, the new bloodfest combo looks so freaking bad! Flying all over the place for no reason. At least with double down you can see the force of the explosion is pushing your char into the air, but where's the logic behind this new combo? You see nothing propelling them upwards, it's like nocliping in the air.

You have a job that can propel itself in the air with the force of its weapon, why do you not take advantage of that?

[LittleArrow]

"Astro's cards are no longer random."

Lame, boooo. Tomato tomato tomato I'm throwing tomatoes.

LOL This made me laugh so hard XD It's totally true. I've been playing Ast since Stormblood and a little back in Heavensward. I feel like such a contrarian in these forms, but I really liked the change they gave it in ShB. I felt so happy to not constantly be fishing for Balance. I NEVER used other cards. I've read some players niche situations in using the regens / defensive cards and honestly I rolled my eyes LOL. I'm so casual about those cards that I only ever used them b/c I didn't have another choice.

When I saw the new change, that we don't get to play a mini-fishing game and now we're just being delt a 4 card hand, I was disappointed. However, I'm willing to give it a try. I've had this version of Ast for about 4-5yrs? I'm ok with trying a different one. I do agree with the complaints though, it's stripping Ast of the fun mini-game. It might be fun though, and I'm eager to try it out. If I don't like it, meh I've got 3 other healers to choose from

[Ephremjlm]

Kinda feel like they played it safe with job abilities. Was hoping with the big 100 every job would get some giant boomish ability lol.

That said I think I think the stacking of certain skills into one hud slot just like in pvp is a really nice touch. I mean those base combo abilities are basically ilke our general attacks now anyways. My first thought was that this opens up the hud in so many ways for future improvements on classes. Think Fire 1, Fire 2, Fire 3 (elements), Paralyze, sleep, poison (status ailments), Haste, protect, shell(status buff) in turn maybe allowing us to start going back to UNIQUE skills and abilities later which you can probably more easily place on a hud and execute without having to really switch things around too much. especially since almost everything is doable with trusts now, there is no real need to worry about what other players will think in general content.

And I was super happy to hear Yoshi P directly and somewhat confirm my thoughts that this is indeed a setup for 8.0 where they plan on making job abilities more unique again. So idk I was hyperbolic with my examples especially considering Ninjas haste like ability is getting downgraded to a trait, but we'll see I suppose. I think them adding ANOTHER limited job, more people really getting into blue mage, people complaining about the homogenization, and a kinda random focus on XI this expansion veers us more in the direction of less safety and more experimentation which im personally down for. Lets just hope dungeons, mobs and bosses and even gear start to get the same treatment.