Positionals

[HikariKurosawa]

It's not that I feel attacked, moreso that I feel like you may have the other user who is questioning my posts on ignore. I was responding to both of you but didn't quote their post, so admittedly it was probably confusing. But also the "you're wrong" post is just a few posts up so I kind of assumed you'd see it since you also entered the discussion, which would require viewing all my other responses and the posts addressing me. I think post 166 ventures back into the homogeneity discussion and there's simply nothing more to say about it, as I said. But I'm not angry or attacked, no worries. And similarly to you I've never once shut down anyone augmenting the positionals. I think enhancing them would be great. I think encounter design should change as well. I just don't think it's cool to throw it back in people's faces "you're homogenizing melee" to me or anyone and betrays a lack of understanding of what homogenization even is or what positionals even do in the current state.

Care to explain how removing or making positionals exclusive to one or two melee jobs would contribute to "homogenization" of jobs in this game? Can you even explain specific examples of homogenization in this game? Like, you say that flank and rear positionals are all different because they are tied to different abilities that happen at different points in each job's rotation, yet will probably go on to say that every job is shifting to a 2 minute burst window? Guess what, all 2 minute cooldowns are extremely different in this game and it just makes sense for the burst windows to line up from a gameplay perspective. It's called teamwork.

So please I really would like to hear your valid explanation in specific detail about how jobs are being homogenized, how positionals have anything to do with that, and how limiting positionals to monk and dragoon would further homogenize melee jobs.

If anything is homogenized, it is the fact that there are positionals on all melee dps. Personally I think the homogenization of jobs in this game is completely made up and baseless, but I'd love to hear your perspective in detail because all you've done up till now is throw around buzzwords and wikipedia articles that don't even support your position.

[Turtledeluxe]

Care to explain how removing or making positionals exclusive to one or two melee jobs would contribute to "homogenization" of jobs in this game? Can you even explain specific examples of homogenization in this game? Like, you say that flank and rear positionals are all different because they are tied to different abilities that happen at different points in each job's rotation, yet will probably go on to say that every job is shifting to a 2 minute burst window? Guess what, all 2 minute cooldowns are extremely different in this game and it just makes sense for the burst windows to line up from a gameplay perspective. It's called teamwork.

So please I really would like to hear your valid explanation in specific detail about how jobs are being homogenized, how positionals have anything to do with that, and how limiting positionals to monk and dragoon would further homogenize melee jobs.

If anything is homogenized, it is the fact that there are positionals on all melee dps. Personally I think the homogenization of jobs in this game is completely made up and baseless, but I'd love to hear your perspective in detail because all you've done up till now is throw around buzzwords and wikipedia articles that don't even support your position.

All of your questions have been explained and the article completely proves the point. I'm not repeating myself, as I said.

Take it up with all the other players who understood what I said just fine.

I think you are in strong denial if you think people are just making up job homogenization..and aside from that your collective posts don't encourage me that further discussion would actually go anywhere.

In fact, your posts in general give me the impression you are a Xenosys stan. And here's my hot take-- no one should listen to Xenosys ever bc his love of the game is actually his love of cheating his way to a worlds first ultimate clear. Why the dev team or anyone would listen to him about job design is nuts, imo.

[HikariKurosawa]

All of your questions have been explained and the article completely proves the point. I'm not repeating myself, as I said.

Take it up with all the other players who understood what I said just fine.

I think you are in strong denial if you think people are just making up job homogenization..and aside from that your collective posts don't encourage me that further discussion would actually go anywhere.

In fact, your posts in general give me the impression you are a Xenosys stan. And here's my hot take-- no one should listen to Xenosys ever bc his love of the game is actually his love of cheating his way to a worlds first ultimate clear. Why the dev team or anyone would listen to him about job design is nuts, imo.

So you can't do it? Good to know.

I think you are strongly delusional if you actually think job homogenization exists in this game. You can't even explain how it exists. It's a buzz word you like to throw around because it justifies your unhappiness with the game. Maybe you are just jaded and incapable of seeing the game for what it really is? Who knows. You're incapable or unwilling to explain your position so it's irrelevant anyway. Maybe you should just stop posting if you are unwilling to elaborate or state your position.

[Turtledeluxe]

So you can't do it? Good to know.

I think you are strongly delusional if you actually think job homogenization exists in this game. You can't even explain how it exists. It's a buzz word you like to throw around because it justifies your unhappiness with the game. Maybe you are just jaded and incapable of seeing the game for what it really is? Who knows. You're incapable or unwilling to explain your position so it's irrelevant anyway. Maybe you should just stop posting if you are unwilling to elaborate or state your position.

Drop your attitude. You are making a fool out of yourself. There's multiple threads about it at this point due to the things they're taking away from certain jobs, or in the case of SCH just outright turning them into angels lmao.

Stop watching Xenos. Are you him? I'm sorry for what I said about you, but no one has any business using you as a resource for anything except playing with cheaters in Ultimates.

Or if you are a viewer, stick to screaming about bald people in chat.

And dont forget to keep hounding people about Kaiten being a "weeb move" as well (definitely nothing Xenosys would say).

Sometimes I wonder if people read their own posts. Okay, sometimes I don't read my own posts, so fair enough, but wow, this one was silly

This is typical forum cringe. I have been extremely patient and courteous to this person for how many pages in the moment I push back against them you are crying. You will find zero sympathy here. Take that somewhere else.

And especially when they're in other threads harassing people for no reason telling them they are weebs for wanting Kaiten back. I understand you're probably angry that I actually knew what I was talking about and proved it quite conclusively, but you're overstepping here.

[Boblawblah]

Drop your attitude. You are making a fool out of yourself. There's multiple threads about it at this point due to the things they're taking away from certain jobs, or in the case of SCH just outright turning them into angels lmao.

Stop watching Xenos. Are you him? I'm sorry for what I said about you, but no one has any business using you as a resource for anything except playing with cheaters in Ultimates.

Or if you are a viewer, stick to screaming about bald people in chat.

Sometimes I wonder if people read their own posts. Okay, sometimes I don't read my own posts, so fair enough, but wow, this one was silly

[ZiraZ]

Sometimes I wonder if people read their own posts. Okay, sometimes I don't read my own posts, so fair enough, but wow, this one was silly

haha yeah lol

There are people who use scripts to automate their rotations and addons to resolve every mechanic in each encounter for them. This enables them to focus entirely on standing in flank or rear which makes their parse look better than 99% of the playerbase.

These are the people who really want positionals to stay.

[Turtledeluxe]

haha yeah lol

I play on ps5. The only thing more embarrassing than that, is this (your) post.

[HikariKurosawa]

Drop your attitude. You are making a fool out of yourself. There's multiple threads about it at this point due to the things they're taking away from certain jobs, or in the case of SCH just outright turning them into angels lmao.

Stop watching Xenos. Are you him? I'm sorry for what I said about you, but no one has any business using you as a resource for anything except playing with cheaters in Ultimates.

Or if you are a viewer, stick to screaming about bald people in chat.

And dont forget to keep hounding people about Kaiten being a "weeb move" as well (definitely nothing Xenosys would say).



This is typical forum cringe. I have been extremely patient and courteous to this person for how many pages in the moment I push back against them you are crying. You will find zero sympathy here. Take that somewhere else.

Yet you still can't elaborate or make a logical statement about the buzz word claims you've been pushing. So very patient. So very courteous.

You linked a wikipedia article that only served to illustrate that all positionals are is a potency increase across the board. There is nothing else to them. You're at flank, or you're at rear for positional potency increase. Every job has them, and you talk about homogenization being caused if certain melee dps roles have them removed? What? You say that making monk a job where positionals are absolutely mandatory for the rotation to work and removing them from the other jobs would result in homogenization?

Somehow I think you're just a xeno hater who is unhappy with the game and looking for someone to blame.