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    The reason trusts are bad is because they are designed to be bad to actually encourage you to play with other people because it’s an MMO

    Trusts are more insurance against the game dying in the future or if people are crippingly antisocial, in general they expect you will run with other players which is why they leave the trusts as being 30-50% worse than an average player. To actually encourage you to play with other players
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    The reason trusts are bad is because they are designed to be bad to actually encourage you to play with other people because it’s an MMO

    Trusts are more insurance against the game dying in the future or if people are crippingly antisocial, in general they expect you will run with other players which is why they leave the trusts as being 30-50% worse than an average player. To actually encourage you to play with other players
    I have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING against playing with other people. The issue here is not about that. The ONLY reason I wanna do dungeons with NPCs, is to eliminate the wait time, nothing else at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thangil View Post
    I have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING against playing with other people. The issue here is not about that. The ONLY reason I wanna do dungeons with NPCs, is to eliminate the wait time, nothing else at all.
    that... & i can afk for even half an hour as long as i keep coming back within ten minutes to move the stick lol... I can take my time and actually enjoy the dungeon instead of having to deal with some f'ing wall to wall speedrun bs.... especially the first time. The npc's say things relevant and even build on the quests outside just b4 it (like alisae in Holminster). I can learn the bosses so well that when i DO get said dungeon in leveling roulette i can just do it by memory almost blindfolded and pretend the people are npc's lol... somewhat. Mainly it's just being able to take my time and enjoy it. ALWAYS do the msq dungeons with npc's the first time. I'm just past Mt Gulg and nothing in the game has even been that hard up to now... MSQ wise anyway.

    LOL I went in a leveling roulette the other day (on sam)... got Holminster, and a bard said as we were waiting to start that she'd like to take time to watch the cutscenes being the first time for her. The tank immediately left... i was like wtf rofl...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thangil View Post
    I have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING against playing with other people. The issue here is not about that. The ONLY reason I wanna do dungeons with NPCs, is to eliminate the wait time, nothing else at all.
    Que as a tank or healer
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    Quote Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming View Post
    Que as a tank or healer
    Maybe if they made those roles desirable to play people would

    Who wants to spam 1 button while the tank does their job for them or queues into casual content to proceed to play solo and have a gimped melee rotation

    There is nothing desirable about the supports in modern 14
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    Maybe if they made those roles desirable to play people would

    Who wants to spam 1 button while the tank does their job for them or queues into casual content to proceed to play solo and have a gimped melee rotation

    There is nothing desirable about the supports in modern 14
    Not only is gunbreaker desirable to play. It's rotation can be very stressful in high end content and with much fewer mitigation than pld war and drk it requires more careful planning, creating a return for investment. I also really enjoy pld in 8 man content because if its ability to carry a bad tank/healer. and war is the perfect dng tank. If you want a more engaging healer try scholar. Having to choose between healing and dpsing allways keeps things alive and healing in dngs as scholar requires brain power to accomplish

    I'm afraid this is simply a matter of perspective vs matter of fact. Trying to say sprouts won't play tank is a flwed stance. Tank is the literal best job for a sprout because mecanics do not effect the the same and they have more panic buttons
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    Quote Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming View Post
    Not only is gunbreaker desirable to play. It's rotation can be very stressful in high end content and with much fewer mitigation than pld war and drk it requires more careful planning, creating a return for investment. I also really enjoy pld in 8 man content because if its ability to carry a bad tank/healer. and war is the perfect dng tank. If you want a more engaging healer try scholar. Having to choose between healing and dpsing allways keeps things alive and healing in dngs as scholar requires brain power to accomplish

    I'm afraid this is simply a matter of perspective vs matter of fact. Trying to say sprouts won't play tank is a flwed stance. Tank is the literal best job for a sprout because mecanics do not effect the the same and they have more panic buttons
    It speaks wonders to your point that you immediately have to jump to high end content to justify the excitement of these jobs

    SCH is quite possibly the single most boring job in casual content
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    I'm not sure why that's all you saw but allow me to repeat myself
    If you want a more engaging healer try scholar. Having to choose between healing and dpsing allways keeps things alive and healing in dngs as scholar requires brain power to accomplish
    . I also really enjoy pld in 8 man content because if its ability to carry a bad tank/healer. and war is the perfect dng tank.
    Where was it stated only that I meant high end content? The first 8 man instance is a level 40 guildhest
    SCH is quite possibly the single most boring job in casual content
    This is once again not a matter of fact but opinion and one I would question at that. Implying you find sch more boring than White mage makes me think the very reason you don't like it is because it's harder
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    Last edited by sindriiisgaming; 05-10-2024 at 04:52 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    It speaks wonders to your point that you immediately have to jump to high end content to justify the excitement of these jobs

    SCH is quite possibly the single most boring job in casual content
    Not for me, that is actually BLM and RDM. You get to bounce between fire and ice or bounce between light and dark while staring at the gauge and slide casting attacks. Mind you at some point, the RDM does get a burst of excitement while the formers only real excitement is getting to cycle for mana and avoid attacks. Also note, as a BLM, I would say 50% of healers have likely prioritized you as the last to heal because they do not exactly understand how as a BLM, you have a long cooldown, yet awesome shield, but that is literally it, no self healing like all the other classes at mid game. So I feel Scholar is a step up from that. I will say though that Sch healing is still much more fluid than current Ast and we will have to see what happens there for the future. Personally, the Holy Trinity (Tank - Heal - DPS) has almost always created its own issues like this. I almost wish there was a mechanics that kept all three in check and that they made all classes more action paced. Of course I offer no good way they could accomplish this since most games are all 1000% about doing the most damage the quickest to end the encounter. Part of me thinks it would be hilarious if they added a random reflect, but that would likely just punish the healers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Supersnow845 View Post
    The reason trusts are bad is because they are designed to be bad to actually encourage you to play with other people because it’s an MMO

    Trusts are more insurance against the game dying in the future or if people are crippingly antisocial, in general they expect you will run with other players which is why they leave the trusts as being 30-50% worse than an average player. To actually encourage you to play with other players
    And also encourage you to actually respect the mechanics instead of trusting Alphy will heal you.
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