Why are NPC parties so bad?

[Wasselin]

I think they could afford to speed up the Trust/Duty Support up a little, especially if the player is the healer role. Even if they the same speed as average players I don't think people would be choosing them over a real party, because a real party would always be more fun and/or have the chance to finish much faster.

[Wolwosh]

Its funny but lately real people are even worse

[Souljacker]

I think that all SE needs to do is not make the trusts play worse when the player is better. It should reward better gameplay, and that in turn will train players to be better overall. That will spill to other parts of the game.

The way it is right now they don't change or get worse the better I play, what's the incentive to bother when I can more or less just pull and tab out to netflix until it's over?

And I'm not interested in sitting in 10-20 minute queue, yoy aren't forcing me into the queue unless I really feel like it. I prefer a more laid back experience where if I'm learning a fight I'm not getting 3 other people impatient.

SE and the playerbase at large need to understand positive reinforcement is always better than negative.

[Ravenblade1979]

I seen op mention grand cosmos and whine that thancred can't keep the boss attention.

Got me wondering just how inattentive the op is when it comes to mechanics.

That particular boss has a few attacks that aren't just for the tank. Mortal flame has each player goto a object to transfer the blue flame onto or they die. Otherworldly heat has ppl spread to drop their crosses.

Then there's where he gives each player a sword number to give a indication of who he dashing towards and ya need to run far from him and angle in a way so no furniture is on fire that can be used for the blue flame mechanic.

So saying that. I wonder if it's really the trust system or the op themselves that are the issue.

The trust system actually has you figure out a different way to run the dungeon. It's neat but very doable.

[Thangil]

I seen op mention grand cosmos and whine that thancred can't keep the boss attention.

Got me wondering just how inattentive the op is when it comes to mechanics.

That particular boss has a few attacks that aren't just for the tank. Mortal flame has each player goto a object to transfer the blue flame onto or they die. Otherworldly heat has ppl spread to drop their crosses.

Then there's where he gives each player a sword number to give a indication of who he dashing towards and ya need to run far from him and angle in a way so no furniture is on fire that can be used for the blue flame mechanic.

So saying that. I wonder if it's really the trust system or the op themselves that are the issue.

The trust system actually has you figure out a different way to run the dungeon. It's neat but very doable.

So I'm whining when I'm telling what happened, and I'm a bad player. You know absolutely nothing about me.

I'm fully aware of the mechanics, I always google it before doing a dungeon/trial/raid the first time. I may not be a superb player, but I'm certainly NOT among the worst.

You are a very rude person and I hope I never meet you ingame.

[Taliriah]

Yep the best combo when available is Tancred + Urianger + Estinien. You can pull wall to wall without issue.

Also lol @ people who think that playing with trusts is easier than playing with a party and will give you bad habits when dying to mechanics is an instant fail instead of getting resed and shrugging it off if you play with players.

[Acelyn]

people who run with trust imho are making the game harder for themselves, they take frikkin forever to kill mobs and bosses, so long to the point that it begins to feel like you the player actually are doing something wrong.

dungeon runs are the easiest way to learn your rotation and also see how others may use your job in neat ways.

[Taliriah]

people who run with trust imho are making the game harder for themselves, they take frikkin forever to kill mobs and bosses, so long to the point that it begins to feel like you the player actually are doing something wrong.

Still faster than waiting for a PF queue

[Voltyblast]

Still faster than waiting for a PF queue

I don't know about that, I'd say they're...about the same.

For reference, I did one dungeon - I forgot which one, I think Gulg - both as a tank and dps while using Trusts, and then I queued for a normal team as a DPS for the same place.

From what I remember, when queueing with Trusts, I took more or less 30 minutes to complete - no mass pulling or anything - however, I noticed that the damage was below subpar, and the team could barely keep up even the most basic mobs. A single group could easily take 2-3 minutes for how slow they were, so I took more or less 30 minutes to complete.

Now, as a DPS (not counting tank or healer for obvious reasons), I had a queue and said queue took me about...let's say 10 minutes. However, right away we could clear most groups in less than 5 minutes, maybe 10, and we cleared the entire dungeon in about 20 minutes, maybe slightly less.

Now this is the issue: queues with players are objectively faster if you're a tank or healer, you have no reason to use trusts while using those roles, it's simply slower, even if you don't mass pull.
But as a DPS, if you don't get a team within 10 minutes, it COULD be better to go with trusts, but considering everything, I'd still prefer to go with a team because, even if the queue takes, in the worst case scenario, 20 minutes, you can still clear the dungeon in LESS than 20 minutes. And EVEN if you clear a dungeon in 40 minutes because of the queue, it's only 10 minutes of difference.

The bottom line, a normal queue is only slow if you're a DPS, in which case trusts can be handy if you can't find a team within 10 minutes. Otherwise, trusts is a last resort.

I have to test this on a post-patch dungeon, like Cosmos or similar, but I don't think the difference is THAT drastically high.

Edit: I just did a test right now, however, I couldn't go to anything beyond Holmister Switch, since I forgot that I have to level my trusts, and I'm not crazy enough to bother with it, so that's what I had to settle with right now.

At any rate, I went with trusts the first time, as a DPS, I finished it with the timer signing 61:23, so about 28:37 minutes to complete. Of course, no queue time.

After that, I just went to the same place with a normal team, as a DPS again: the queue took me quite a while, about 10 minutes, but considering the time It's not that bad (it was about 6 pm as of this message, since I'm European, but I assume it's noon for most people: it would be probably faster if it was later)

Regardless, the team run finished with the timer signing 71:52, which is about 18:08 minutes to complete, plus the 10 or so minutes of the queue, for a total of 28:08 minutes. I want to add that the team I was in almost wiped once, with the tank dying once, and one DPS dying twice, once during a boss, so it was far from an optimal run.

I didn't test with test trusts with tanks but I have a feeling the difference would be very small, maybe a couple of minutes at best. However I can't test for anything past 80, and that's where I have to stop im afraid. I'm not going to level up my trusts for this.